I kinda doubt the UK would risk doing this to a potential US president, but just putting this message on record could still be a hoot! (Too bad only UK citizens can sign.)
I was watching this on the news about 1 hour ago and the number was circa 240k. Now it stands at over 300k. Many signing it consider what he said about banning Muslims entry into the U.S. to be tantamount to hate speech. Most other commentators said that he has the right to free speech and that what he said was more idiotic than hateful. It would be better to allow him to come and then try to persuade him via rational debate why his comments are wrong.
The problem many Londoners have is that he “lied” about London. There are no “no-go areas” that the police cannot enter. Londoners mix all the time and it the respect and tolerance for each other’s differences that makes it a great city.
It is the rhetoric used when pandering to the irrational fears of people is the problem. It does not matter if it is coming from ISIL or from the EDL (National Front). They are both extremists that help to keep societies polarized and only appeal to people already at those extremes.
Trump is not a fool. He knows there is a perception within the heartland of republican voters that they are under threat from various sources. A few Mexicans or a few Muslims or a few “un-American” people may have acted badly (not happy with my own use of that word). What Trump is doing is to capitalize upon these events by failing to allow any space for any rational commentary about them. These invisible (and mostly non-existent) enemies are everywhere but still nowhere and only Trump can save America from them. They have taken the place of the “Reds under the bed” so we need to build walls or stop granting visas to keep them out.
I find it impossible not to cringe when I hear him speak. He is an embarrassment to America and to the ideals I believe most Americans understand America to represent. Usually I can quickly get to the heart of the matter on most subjects. However I am finding it difficult to understand his popularity. I see what he “trumpeting” and getting his support for to be so alien to the America I know.
I cannot see him lasting the course. He is destroying the perception of America abroad and doing an injustice to Americans ignoring the “real” election issues by fighting the invisible enemies and confusion that his vulgar rhetoric is creating. The only thing America needed saving from is Trump because at best he is an embarrassment to the image of America and at worst he helping the work of ISIL.
FYI - It appears the site has crashed due to the volume of people signing it!!
@reg. London does have pseudo-no-go areas only...it isn't because there are muslims there but because every race and of every religion takes part in hooliganism. There are almost always police standing at the exits of Seven Sisters tube station (a scarry neighbourhood to say the least) though they don't tend to leave the underground station. Gangs were walking around in hoodies in an extremely creepy manner and they were mostly white...some non-white. I was about to walk down a street towards a specialty shop and the policewoman wouldn't let me. She told me to take a cab or go back to the centre. That was 10 years ago. Perhaps it is cleaned up...but if that is so...no doubt some other neighbourhood(s) have been passed the no-go baton.
Tower Hamlets has a very high Muslim population. Walking around it at times you would be forgiven for thinking that you were in the Middle East somewhere. I did a stint as a mini-cab (taxi) driver in London for a few months. I got a call to bring a man to an address in a rundown area of Tower Hamlets which itself was an underdeveloped area of London. From the front door of his house he asked me to open the trunk. Then he proceeded to put a large cauldron of hot food into it with smaller pots of rice and trays of bread. We set off but it was an almost silent journey as my Urdu is non-existent and he had little to no English.
We arrived at a small community centre and I gave him a hand to bring in the food. When it came to payment I saw that he was having trouble putting the full fare together. I indicated “No” to the money and made some gestures about having food instead. He looked surprised but was smiling and he ushered me in and made a space at a table for him. I then had the best vegetarian curry I have ever had and I have had hundreds before and since then. He was basically doing his (religious) duty and this was a weekly “soup kitchen” run that he did. All the food was prepared by chefs from Pakistan who also took it in turns to spend an hour or two each week to prepare food they also supplied.
Most of the people there were new emigrants and were amused to see a “white man” sitting cross-legged on the floor eating with his food with bread. Nobody could speak English but when I look back at that day I like to think that my passenger and I understood each other perfectly. The following week I arrived early to his house to watch how the food was cooked but 25 years later I have still not mastered it.
I agree that London has become more dangerous. I lived around Brixton and the Old Kent Road for a few years. I never felt unsafe there. I return to visit some friends about 8 years later and it was a completely different atmosphere. You could sense the intimidation in the air. None of it was from Muslims though. It was all drug related gang bullshit. However you will occasionally get these scumbags too.
I understand the idea behind it, but can you rationally deny him entry if he hasn't committed any actions that would negate his Visa-free travel to the UK?
You have to tread very carefully since denying him entry would be infringing on his freedom of speech not matter how hateful it is. It is a slippery slope situation.
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