Bill O'Reilly - Oslo killer wasn't Christian because Christians don't kill people...

Sigh... Billo. Really, Billo?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/bill-oreilly-media-breivik...

Bill O'Reilly sternly criticized the media for describing Anders Behring-Breivik, the man who has admitted to committing the mass killings in Norway, as a Christian, saying that such a thing was "impossible."

O'Reilly singled out the New York Times, which called Breivik a "Christian extremist" in an article. Breivik also referred to himself as a Christian, as did the Norwegian police, and his 1,500 page manifesto has been described as coming from a Christian perspective. In the manifesto, he writes that he does not have a "personal," religious relationship with Christ, believes in Christianity "as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform," which he says "makes [me] Christian."

To O'Reilly, though, it was "impossible" that Breivik is a Christian.

"No one believing in Jesus commits mass murder," he said. "The man might have called himself a Christian on the net, but he is certainly not of that faith...we can find no evidence, none, that this killer practiced Christianity in any way."

He said that the reason the media was calling Breivik a Christian was because "the left wants you to believe that fundamentalists Christians are a threat just like crazy jihadists are." O'Reilly called this notion "dishonest and insane," saying that no government was backing Breivik's ideology.

O'Reilly also said that the media "is pushing the Christian angle [because] they don't like Christians very much because we are too judgmental," and that the press want to "diminish" social and religious conservatives.

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Comment by Sassan K. on July 27, 2011 at 12:04am

It is true. This guy was not a Christian fundamentalist. Jerry Falwell is a Christian fundamentalist, Pat Robertson is a Christian fundamentalist. This guy did not commit his acts because of his Christian beliefs.

Does the following sound very fundamentalist to you? :

"I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think;

“Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic."

"Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state f example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet… But I’m pretty sure I will pray to God as I’m rushing through my city, guns blazing, with 100 armed system protectors pursuing me with the intention to stop and/or kill. I know there is a 80%+ chance I am going to die during the operation as I have no intention to surrender to them until I have completed all three primary objectives AND the bonus mission. When I initiate (providing I haven’t been apprehended before then), there is a 70% chance that I will complete the first objective, 40% for the second, 20% for the third and less than 5% chance that I will be able to complete the bonus mission. It is likely that I will pray to God for strength at one point during that operation, as I think most people in that situation would….If praying will act as an additional mental boost/soothing it is the pragmatical thing to do. I guess I will find out… If there is a God I will be allowed to enter heaven as all other martyrs for the Church in the past. (p. 1344)"

Comment by Sassan K. on July 27, 2011 at 12:18am

Comment by Rick on July 27, 2011 at 12:35am

Oh, Bill O’Reilly… Can we all just agree that Bill is not relevant and stop giving him attention?

Comment by John Siqueiros on July 27, 2011 at 1:14am

O'Reilly's a living, walking parody of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Comment by Sassan K. on July 27, 2011 at 1:28am

Bill is very relevant. #1 relevant.

And the fact remains - that this terrorist did not commit these acts because of his Christian beliefs. In fact he wasn't even religious. I suggest reading Sam Harris's take on this: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/christian-terrorism-and-islamoph...

Comment by John Siqueiros on July 27, 2011 at 1:41am

Sam Harris' take isn't convincing, since he admits he hasn't read through the entirety of Breivik's manifesto. Other parts of it, indicating more of the terrorist's avowed Christian ties, were quoted by Sally Quinn in her conversation with O'Reilly, albeit most of that was shouted down by the "No True Scotsman Fallacy" TV presenter.

 

I wonder what Harris thinks a Christian fundamentalist "in the usual sense" even means, because it is a rather meaningless term. For example, some self-described Christian fundamentalists claim that the Roman Catholic church -- which claims about 2/3rds of Christians worldwide -- is not a true Christian church. Given that the New Testament wasn't even codified until by the Roman church a few centuries after Christ's death, it's a rather bizarre position from a historic perspective.

 

And that really is the fundamental problem with determining whether Breivik was a "true" Christian: self-described Christians for the most part don't really agree on what it means.

Comment by Sassan K. on July 27, 2011 at 1:56am
Comment by Lee Purple on July 27, 2011 at 4:52am

let's go easy on Bill. We need hilarious ant-brained loonies in this world for a laugh.

Comment by Michael Klein on July 27, 2011 at 5:25am

Well he really wasn't a christian. Christianity for him was only part of his cultural plans. But it gets a bit complicated because he wants a dictatorship with theocratic leanings, an idea which he shares with christian fundamentalists. He just ponders to every group he percieves as "conservative"...

Comment by Great Dane on July 27, 2011 at 6:36am

Brainless Billy as we refer to him in Europe.

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