Beliefs
I see no reason to believe in an all powerful god (non intelligent “uncaused cause”)*
No one knows what the does, or what he will do, nor the reasons why
He does not break his own rules of human nature (laws of physics)
There is no such thing as miracles (look up the correct definition of “miracle”)
If god did intervene with the ordinary rules of the world, there would be no way of proving or disproving the action
I have no reason to believe any claims by anyone else, nor the reason to even ask for them to prove it. If they want to follow something blindly, that is their choice, no matter how stupid I can show them they are
If god did come to prove himself to me, I still have the right to question it, on the reason that follows: how do I know he is not the devil? How do I know that for sure that this is the god of human nature? Just because a supernatural force can present itself to me, doesn’t mean he is who he claims.
As far as Adam goes: That story is complete bullshit. To believe that is to bring ignorance to a new level, a level where talking to you about faith would be a fault on my part. However, if you do not believe that the Adam thing happened, you cannot call yourself a Christian because you contradict yourself; if Jesus came to free us from the fall of man, he would have no purpose for doing so if the fall never took place.
As far as Jesus goes: He never existed. If he was really here, the disciple’s stores wouldn’t be so mixed up. And I guess call me crazy, but I can’t believe a loving god would intervene in the world by impregnating a women engaged to be married.
As far a sex goes: Don’t sleep with anyone you would not first consider marrying on the spot. You are committed to that person by default if the worst case scenario happens. It should always move from friendship, to committed, to intimacy in a relationship.
As far as drinking goes: Never drink and drive. If your drinking causes you to become more and more of an asshole, it would be in your best interest to not drink so much. You will know you’re an asshole if less people invite you to parties.
As far as praying goes: To pray for god to intervene in this world is beyond retarded. First, if you belief he as almighty and powerful and that he has a perfect plan, then whatever you tell him will not change it, because in deed, there is no such thing as more perfect.
As far as the bible goes: It is not the word of god. It is a good read and teaches valuable lessons, but upon further review, it does not hold as much water as it is claimed to do. When people speak of its power and how it has changed their life, they fail to realize that all the power comes from the new community of people they have formed with; people that care about issues bigger than them. It’s just like the people at AA and their book.
As treating other people goes: The golden rule always shines true. It is repeated in every religion of the world, from Jesus, to Muhammad, to Buddhism, to Hinduism. It has a power that prevents revenge and thus violence.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
No one knows what the does, or what he will do, nor the reasons why
He does not break his own rules of human nature (laws of physics)
There is no such thing as miracles (look up the correct definition of “miracle”)
If god did intervene with the ordinary rules of the world, there would be no way of proving or disproving the action
I have no reason to believe any claims by anyone else, nor the reason to even ask for them to prove it. If they want to follow something blindly, that is their choice, no matter how stupid I can show them they are
If god did come to prove himself to me, I still have the right to question it, on the reason that follows: how do I know he is not the devil? How do I know that for sure that this is the god of human nature? Just because a supernatural force can present itself to me, doesn’t mean he is who he claims.
As far as Adam goes: That story is complete bullshit. To believe that is to bring ignorance to a new level, a level where talking to you about faith would be a fault on my part. However, if you do not believe that the Adam thing happened, you cannot call yourself a Christian because you contradict yourself; if Jesus came to free us from the fall of man, he would have no purpose for doing so if the fall never took place.
As far as Jesus goes: He never existed. If he was really here, the disciple’s stores wouldn’t be so mixed up. And I guess call me crazy, but I can’t believe a loving god would intervene in the world by impregnating a women engaged to be married.
As far a sex goes: Don’t sleep with anyone you would not first consider marrying on the spot. You are committed to that person by default if the worst case scenario happens. It should always move from friendship, to committed, to intimacy in a relationship.
As far as drinking goes: Never drink and drive. If your drinking causes you to become more and more of an asshole, it would be in your best interest to not drink so much. You will know you’re an asshole if less people invite you to parties.
As far as praying goes: To pray for god to intervene in this world is beyond retarded. First, if you belief he as almighty and powerful and that he has a perfect plan, then whatever you tell him will not change it, because in deed, there is no such thing as more perfect.
As far as the bible goes: It is not the word of god. It is a good read and teaches valuable lessons, but upon further review, it does not hold as much water as it is claimed to do. When people speak of its power and how it has changed their life, they fail to realize that all the power comes from the new community of people they have formed with; people that care about issues bigger than them. It’s just like the people at AA and their book.
As treating other people goes: The golden rule always shines true. It is repeated in every religion of the world, from Jesus, to Muhammad, to Buddhism, to Hinduism. It has a power that prevents revenge and thus violence.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
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Comment by Neo Brave on July 18, 2009 at 10:53pm -
Well said, that pretty much sums it all up really good.
Looking forward reading more from you!
-NB
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Comment by Julie on July 18, 2009 at 11:32pm -
You need to get on Twitter and help me battle these crazies who come after me asking why I don't want to meet Him and absolve myself of my sins.
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Comment by Reggie on July 18, 2009 at 11:40pm -
So Julie, why is it that you don't want to meet him and have your sins absolved? ;)
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Comment by Bradley James Ballard on July 18, 2009 at 11:43pm -
I suppose you cannot win a rational argument against someone who takes retardation to another level...
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Comment by Julie on July 18, 2009 at 11:46pm
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lol @Reggie
I was very open-mined with the lady who was going at me tonight; I said if you provide proof he exists I'd be happy to meet him. She said that she's asking me a hypothetical question, therefore she doesn't have to provide proof. Do you want to meet him? I said it's like asking me if I want to pet a unicorn; sure I probably would if she showed me they existed. She asked me why I used the word "probably"--do I or don't I? I said I used the word "probably" because she was asking me a hypothetical question....and it kept going on like that. I didn't know how many ways I could tell her that I'd be open to meeting god if I knew he existed, but until she provided me more proof than her "own personal experiences" it was a non-subject.
It ended with her going on about atheists being god-haters. I tried to correct her earlier in the conversation but then she went back to it, and I gave up. I don't even know why she singled me out, I wasn't seeking out christians or anything, I was talking to another atheist.
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Comment by Reggie on July 19, 2009 at 12:05am
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So she didn't accuse you of wanting to revel in your sin? I'm so disappointed in her for leaving that one on the shelf.
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Comment by Bradley James Ballard on July 19, 2009 at 12:11am
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you can't win the disprove god argument, but you can win the "would a loving god write the bible argument". i don't care if people are deists, agnostic, pantheist, etc. I am against theism of all kinds... that is why I call myself a-theist...
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Comment by Julie on July 19, 2009 at 12:26am
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@Bradley No, you're right--after our discussion I was watching a Christopher Hitchens video where he compared Christianity to a Totalitarian government. I wish I had been able to throw some of that at her.
@Reggie No--I think she ultimately was out to convert people. She needs to do some better hashtag searches for something like that. I would go after #lonely or #desperate.
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