Upon reviewing some of my old content posted on Yahoo! News. I came upon an article I read some time ago about a restaurant who chickened out of the Bring your Own Bear policy. They were afraid of being prosecuted over the no purchasing of alcohol on Good Friday in Ireland. Now the thing is, it is perfectly legal to have alcohol in Ireland on Good Friday, you just cannot purchase alcohol on Good Friday. Many people actually purchase their spirits and bear the day before in bulk; which makes the entire concept of this 24 hour law to be totally pointless on any level. Just to clarify something I may be Irish, but I am not some alcohol obsessed Irishman who needs his regular daily alco fix. As a matter of fact, I mostly only have a few drinks once a week (on the weekend). This is more about the principal of the matter. I am not a Catholic, and have not been a practising Catholic for over 11 years. So why should I have to play by a rule that is not part of my faith? In any case I got into a heated discussion with a fellow Irish person who had the "if you don't like it, you can get out" attitude. He said this to me, a born Irish citizen. 

"Excuse me I shouldn't have to go anywhere. How dare you suggest that I have leave my home country because a religious order think they have some sort of authority on the world. I should be able to purchase alcohol any day I want. I don't believe in the bible or rather "the pope". 

Why should I a born Irish citizen have to leave my country in order to have equality? There is no logical reasonable answer to that. 

This is why Ireland NEEDS separation of state and church. As far as I'm concerned the Catholic Church are not welcome invading our laws anymore; nor should they have credit to that right.

The fact of the matter is the Catholic Church still have a hold on Irish law. The majority of the primary and secondary schools are still Catholic (and the children being raised Catholic are given first preference over non-Catholic children). 

So I'm not sure how someone can possibly be so blind to notice the special treatment given to Catholics over non-Catholics. 

The fact of the matter is the law in Ireland still prevents persons from purchasing alcohol. These are facts. And my views were not based on "Irish society" it was based on the Catholic Church as an organisation and the Government acting like their slaves. In fact its only recently the Taoiseach Kenny had the balls to actually state that he isn't going to be dictated by the Catholic Church in reference to the abortion bill. And even at that its still not enough. We need secularism. We cannot function as a country leading towards a Catholic ideology. While the country might technically be viewed as a Catholic country. The reality is that it isn't. We have persons of all faiths an no faiths living in this country. All human beings deserve to have the same equal opportunities. And that is not happening and its a violation of human rights. 

I never said that the majority of Irish society still abide by the authoritarian fascism of the Catholic Church. The problem is the government not doing enough to move towards secularism quickly enough. We need more politicians like Kenny defying these self righteous egocentrics. 

People can call me a hipster all they want. I question everything. And I am questing the fact that the Catholic Church still have too much influence in my country. And I will never be ok with that. Like it or not, the fact of the matter is the Catholic Church is globally renowned to be the most corrupt organisation on this planet. And stop trying to shift blame onto the Muslims. Thats a different argument. Islam has no control over Ireland. This issue and this debate is about Catholic Christianity. It seems that all the Catholic Church ever does is shift blame to other minorities and groups whenever they are challenged. 

They need to start being accountable for their actions and tyranny. I will not go peacefully about this. Because they certainly haven't gone peaceful about so many issues now and so many issues in their history. 

I stand by what I have stated"

Just to interject some further information here, there was a bit of name calling going on, calling me a hipster (which I personally don't find offensive) then changing the subject to discuss the Muslim extremism. I did however slightly edit some of the original content as this has been taken from several comments. The only reason for this, is so that it makes sense as one piece of writing

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Comment by Belle Rose on August 12, 2014 at 10:02am
Love it Keith! Great post :-)

When you say the children being raised Catholic are given preference, what kind of preference? Are they treated better than non-Catholic children? What are some ways the Catholic children are given preference?
Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on August 12, 2014 at 4:13pm

I have had similar arguments with Catholics. My take on it is that the State should not legislate for any religious considerations. I do not drink much alcohol – just a few glasses of good whiskey per year and an occasional sip of red wine with a meal. However that is not the point here. I should be able to enter a public house on Bad Friday and order alcohol if I want to. I am not a Catholic and I should not be bound by a Catholic inspired law as to what I can and cannot do.

Eventually it gets trotted out that the law is in place as a mark of respect for Jesus and that I should respect the majority viewpoint as it is still mainly a Catholic country (don’t ya’know). I have no problem respecting their holy day but where is the respect for people of different beliefs or no beliefs. It is because of this law that they lose respect.

I argue that if Catholics need the State to legally prevent the sale of alcohol on the day then they are weak. If they should not consume alcohol on that day, then don’t. If they cannot respect the meaning of the day without having it enshrined in state law then do not expect me to respect it.

I suppose Catholics love to be cohered into behaving properly with the fear of punishment hanging over them. Grrrr…it’s enough to drive a man to drink!

Comment by Nerdy Keith on August 13, 2014 at 7:03am


Thank you Bell. The way it is in Ireland, most of our schools are Catholic schools. And most of those Catholic schools give first preference to chidden raised Catholic, especially primary level. When you enrol children in primary schools in Ireland, there is a waiting list and the Catholic kids will always be the first preference on that list. 

Its a very screwed up situations forcing non-Catholic parents to baptise their children just to get them into school. And then of course the second and third sacraments of the church and its preparations are brought into the schools themselves (communion & confirmation). This causes a lot of confusion and awkwardness for the non-Catholics. 

There are a few non-denominational schools, but unfortunately the government gives most of the fusing to Catholic schools and the facilities in non-denominational schools are quite minimum to say the least. 

If Ireland only had more public schools like the US, things would be much more fair

Comment by Nerdy Keith on August 13, 2014 at 7:08am


Oh I very much agree with that. The "holier than thou" self righteous attitude seems to be common in a lot of Catholic (not all mind you, but still)

And it is enough to drive a man to drink. A former boss of mine used to have a phrase whenever things got irritation of stressful in work "A few vodkas". I always thought it was funny lol

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on August 17, 2014 at 4:32am

And it is enough to drive a man to drink.

Keith, if an occasional drink helps you unwind, enjoy it.
I hope the situation you describe drives you not to drink, but to political activism with other folk who agree with you.

Comment by Nerdy Keith on August 17, 2014 at 1:34pm


I was joking about that. Of course it doesn't drive me to drink, its just a figure of speech. Anyway its more about the principal of it. 

So yes it is a form of political activism 

Comment by Davis Goodman on August 17, 2014 at 3:08pm

Yikes. I'm sure it wouldn't take much to contest this law at an EU level. Are there any examples of religious inspired laws in Ireland that atheists suffer?

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on August 17, 2014 at 5:13pm

Yes there are Davis...I am in the process of writing a post on some of them. Representatives from Atheist Ireland were recently in Geneva at the UN Human Rights Committee to discuss the various issue we have. It was the first time an Atheist group got to speak at a UN committee. I will try to post it this week with the news on how it went. In short, it means we can highlight secular concerns at a level higher than the government, who must in turn acknowledge that our grievances are legit and that they must do as the UN advises to resolve them. Our example here will help other countries to do similar so I will post as much as I can.

Comment by Davis Goodman on August 17, 2014 at 7:21pm

Indeed. That's good news. Is anyone contesting any of this at an EU level?


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