Henry !
Great post!You should be a writer as you express yourself well! Now,one of my not so good posts ! The early Christians were not 'persecuted' per se - they were slaughtered/tortured -even whole families-by the millions over hundreds of years. I have researched history and taught this subject many years ago.
My context was in reference to Roman thought -not ages past. These early believers of Jesus were 'without the gods' of Rome.

To me it is 'not reasonable' to use these words found within posts by so many good posters on this fine site to deny something that one has no knowledge of or, in this case, has never experienced. You have not yet died, yet you,like the Christians, are telling what awaits me and the whole world actually,which is nothing!
You are speculating too!!! Never been there never done that ,but you seem as though you have and with deep conviction inform me what awaits one after death!!! Coke Zero I know,but how do you know that you ain't dead yet ? Do you have total proof or some evidence we need to know about relative to this issue?
Or are you taking it on faith ?

Again,good posting. Keep it up sir.Do you write ? Thanks for answering.My work prevents me from engaging on a regular basis ,so I jump in anywhere at any time...

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Comment by Doug Reardon on October 29, 2009 at 7:46pm
I've never experienced childbirth either.
Comment by Reggie on October 29, 2009 at 8:21pm
Hey Doug, don't you remember all the good times we had before we were born?

Those were the days!
Comment by Doug Reardon on October 29, 2009 at 8:38pm
Nah, Reggie: when the aliens abducted me they stole all my memories.
Comment by Dave G on October 29, 2009 at 8:41pm
Howard, any particular reason you started a different blog rather than continue on your last one where Henry posted the response you are praising? I ask only because there were several people, including myself, waiting for you to respond to our questions.
Comment by Reggie on October 29, 2009 at 9:55pm
when the aliens abducted me they stole all my memories

Probably pawned them for drug money.
Comment by dr howard davis on October 30, 2009 at 12:30pm
Shine you are right!
Comment by dr howard davis on October 30, 2009 at 12:58pm
Doug,
You changed the subject ! We were posting about death- not your birth, which had witnesses to attest to the event ! These are two different subjects.

So then back to subject .So you can like despised Christians 'by faith' affirm to me you do, beyond any and all doubt, that there is no life after death ? If you really know and have absolute proof of this you need to share your secret knowledge with us.
Comment by dr howard davis on October 30, 2009 at 1:06pm
Doug,
Messing up on how to edit my post !So doing another one here ,sorry.
I was really referring to childbirth (what I said though still holds) in keeping with your wordage. But,we know beyond all doubt we can witness childbirth and that females do experience it, and have given countless stories with witnesses ,including MDs,about their experience-so what? Don't get your reasoning at all.
Comment by dr howard davis on October 30, 2009 at 1:10pm
Reggie/Doug,
Why the change of subject here? Past lives? We are posting about death,etc. Please read Dr.Daniel Amen's books on ADD. I am seeing a lot of that here!
Comment by Reggie on October 30, 2009 at 1:19pm
You changed the subject ! We were posting about death- not your birth, which had witnesses to attest to the event ! These are two different subjects.

Ah, my good doctor, I do believe you are mistaken! Doug was certainly on topic and made quite a stunningly pithy point. Certainly there are witnesses to a birth and there are to a death. But forget the arrow of time for a moment and concentrate on the similar aspects of both events when you can fast forward or reverse the tape.

Now, we say birth, but since we come into existence in such a gradual and vague way, much unlike when we expire, then let us call it "birth" for the sake of discussion and ignore the minefield that conception and gestation can become to this topic.

But before we explore this point, let us deal with your ace of spades; absolute proof.

If you really know and have absolute proof of this you need to share your secret knowledge with us.

Here is the sticking point. You offer a false dichotomy of either total uncertainty or absolute proof. We know this is bogus and most people who care to get pedantic to this degree will agree that we can't absolutely know anything. But there are things we can be reasonably sure of. If I toss a ball in the air an infinite number of times, gravity will pull it down each time. Now, I can't be absolutely certain of this unless I actually spend an infinity doing it (and I am ignoring quantum stuff here because it is irrelevant in the macro world). But even though I do not possess this "secret", absolute knowledge, does not mean that I shouldn't or couldn't live my life with near certainty that I will get my ball back if I toss it in the air (barring any obstacles like trees or gutters).

We can agree that this is near certain enough that we could call it completely certain for all intents and purposes, right?

Now back to births and deaths. We have no reason to believe that there is any afterlife. We don't have to experience dying to "know" this. We have "experienced" death before, which was Doug's point about birth (and if it wasn't, then it is now!). But we didn't experience anything. There was no "experience", there were no "we". Unless you have some evidence that suggests we are more than our biological parts and have a mechanism to live on beyond our experation dates (or lived before we were born if we reverse time flow), then there is no reason to give equivalence to the wishful notion of an afterlife.

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