Hello everyone! I'm still in shock over the success of my last post,
beginners luck perhaps? As I mentioned in my last post I have a conservative
Christian friend and his friend who is essentially his twin. These two
aren't too happy about me being atheist and it's turning into
discrimination. I know discrimination against atheists is still considered
socially acceptable by most people, however most of the people who I've told
don't have a problem. I suspect its because I contradict their values in
almost every way. Thankfully this isn't turning violent however I am being
blamed for all their problems. They also like to debate me and since I'm
outnumbered they enjoy it even more, if anyone has something I could say
that would kill the debate it would be appreciated. Here an excerpt from one
of our "conversations"

C: Your just an asshole atheist.
Me: If I were catholic would I be an asshole?
C: No.
Me: Was I an asshole before you knew?
C: Well no.
Me: So way am I an asshole now?
C: Because your an atheist and your wrong!

So you can see what I'm up against. I can't simply avoid these people
because I interact with them on an everyday basis and they bring the subject
up everyday. I does anyone have any ideas as to how to get this to stop?


P.S. I one wants me to drink "holy" water, because it would kill me right?

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Comment by WiseGuyEddie on October 7, 2009 at 10:40pm
This is so ironic. I recently wrote a Blog post similar to this topic. You can read it at http://wiseguyeddie.blogspot.com/2009/10/atheist-or-agnostic-whats-in-name.html
I am a recovering Christian and though I call myself an agnostic I am an atheist. I call myself an agnostic simply to avoid the meaningless ad hominem attacks of theists who don't ever present a rational, cogent, or well reasoned argument. It's a frustrating endeavor. How can you have an intelligent argument with people who believe in a talking snake and the Earth is less than 10,000 years old? Before I left the church, I had a litany of philosophical questions that could not be answered effectively, by the PASTOR. Though he did not sink to ad hominem attacks, he did resort to the old faithful and last ditch effort (ad baculum), "You do realize you are choosing everlasting separation from God and an eternity of torment?" But the caveat is "God loves You". I tell you the truth. The further I distance myself from religion, the scarier religious people appear to me.
Comment by Doug Reardon on October 7, 2009 at 10:54pm
Threaten to sue their asses for harassment!
Comment by Nix Manes on October 8, 2009 at 12:10am
To anything they say or ask, reply: "I have outgrown the need for myth and superstition." You have to say this to absolutely everything, though, even if it remotely refers to god or the bible or anything religious. You really don't need to say anything else. Just keep repeating it. They'll get mad and come up with "broken record" type comments. But, eventually they'll stop.

Try it to yourself a few times to practice. Like this:

Them: Your just an asshole atheist
You: I have outgrown the need for myth and superstition
Them: You do realize you are choosing everlasting separation from God and an eternity of torment?
You: I have outgrown the need for myth and superstition
Them: God loves You
You: I have outgrown the need for myth and superstition

It works.
Comment by Jon Peterson on October 8, 2009 at 12:46am
IMO I think it is all based on a "FAITH". A faith that something or someone out there controls what happens. WOW!!!!!!! There is no freakin' way that could be possible! One "Person" "human" "maybe alien" being is in control. And we are all just puppets on a string? A terrarium science experiment older or equal to 4.4 billion years ago? Science is the factor to proving the mankind-made bible, Koran or whatever is mankind-made. And mankind is soooooooo small in the "Big Picture".
Comment by Reggie on October 8, 2009 at 8:15am
Please remind me just why are you stuck with these people everyday? Also, why do you refer to people as friends who call you names and try to bully you?
Comment by Gaytor on October 8, 2009 at 11:45am
How much of an asshole is he if he chooses an asshole for a friend?
So you want to corner him... Tell him when he can explain the telomeric fusion in Chromosome #2 and how we share ERV's in the same locations as Chimps who are genetically our closest relatives, you'll consider his religion.
Or if he'd like to explain Revelations 12:4 where a dragon knocks 1/3 of stars to the Earth and how that's possible, you'll be glad to hear it.
You might be better off cutting your losses. But if you want to take it on, I'd also suggest the Why do People Laugh at Cretionists? series. Just watch one a day and ask them great questions from it. Not in a confrontational way, just as a matter of fact. "Did you see that they found water on Mars?" "Did you see the Bonobo using fire?" The small questions and fact build as knowledge. Eventually the spell of the "brilliant" adult teachers in their lives that teach them ridiculous thing become exposed as frauds through their own knowledge. Simply plant the seed.
Comment by Stefftastic on October 8, 2009 at 2:20pm
I'd just drink the holy water & be like, okay, passed that bullshit test, what else can you conjure up?

I also like NixManes' idea =]
Comment by Matthew on October 8, 2009 at 5:22pm
I'm with Gaytor. Educate yourself on arguments disproving god and supporting science.

Watch the videos he mentioned. Read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. He goes through basically every argument you'll hear to support religion, then tears them down with logic, reason, and science. Look into logical fallacies and what they are...because I guarantee their arguments are FULL of them. Look around for crazy shit that's in the Bible that no one in modern times would condone and challenge them with it.
You can find most of this stuff on this very website and others, just do some searching. The more you know, the easier it is.

Until you are armed with these tidbits, I'd do my best to avoid them. When they say asinine things like you mentioned above, I'd ask them, "Do you think Jesus would treat me this way?"

And if they are as stupid, ignorant and abrasive as I suspect they are...stop engaging them completely. Or, ignore their stupid comments and just move on in the conversation when they say that stuff. Maybe they just do it to get a rise out of you...so stop giving them the reaction they want. If they truly mean those things, they aren't your friends. They aren't worth being around, really. They aren't.
Comment by Alison Rufus on October 8, 2009 at 5:44pm
Can't find the reference, but I suspect it's in Matthew or Luke, Jesus says name calling is as bad as murder. Try that.
Comment by Jacob on October 8, 2009 at 9:41pm
I work with them on the school newspaper, their the editors and I wouldn't categorize them as a friend, guess that should have been clearer.

Thanks for the suggestion! I like the idea, but I they're pretty closed minded and I don't think it would go over to well.

Me reading the God Delusion in Wisconsin might not be the best idea. My parents don’t know I’m an atheist and because I still live with them I don’t want to take the risk.


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