I found this comment on a Facebook poll titled: "Do atheists actually believe they can convince people to convert to their beliefs via facebook polls?"
Feel free to suggest what I should have said or if he had a point I should've listened to.


Dave Harrisson: It seems to me that some atheists use these polls to belittle Christians. They think they have all the answers and that because some men say that God doesn't exist, that we should all just say... Okay, forget about God. But what they don't realize is that we actually know God in a very personal way. We KNOW He exists.

Me: That was one of the most hypocritical things I have ever read. I'm constantly threatened with damnation by Christians who think they have all the answers because they have the bible. I don't think I have all the answers. I just don't think their all in the bible. And I tried praying. I prayed for a sign, for some proof many many times and I never found one. And as Tim Best just said: "Christians have their propaganda on our money, our monuments, and in our Pledge; atheists get death threats for buying private billboards."

Dave Harrisson: As I said "some atheists". I was only addressing the ones that are constantly saying things like... the flying spaghetti monster" or calling God a "rapist". I was not addressing "all" atheists. I am sorry that you seemed to have read "all atheists". By the way, I have never threatened an atheist and never will. As a Christian, I am to love my neighbor as myself. I know that some Christians are caught up in their religiosity. In my view, religion has nothing to do with true Christianity.
As far as praying for a sign. That one probably won't be answered in that way. But what I would advise is to pray in this way. "God, if you are real, please reveal yourself to me. If you are there, I want to know you". In doing this with a sincere desire to know Him, He will answer you. I guarantee it. "seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened".
As far as having all the answers... I can tell you that I don't. I know my Lord in a very real and personal way. I know His voice, His love, and His presence. Again, I am sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention, please forgive me.

Me: "The flying spaghetti monster" is a metaphor saying that a white, homophobic, male who created everything we know isn't much more believable than it. And I have never heard anyone ever call god a rapist.
I already tried praying for him to reveal himself. I tried rephrasing it in many different ways for a couple years until I finally gave up and came to the conclusion that he doesn't exist. And even if he did exist I sincerely doubt that if he's as loving as you say that he'd condemn me to eternal torture for not believing in him. Why would he make me who I am just to send me for hell for being who he made me? Frankly, there is nothing you can say that'll make me a Christian again.

Dave Harrisson: That of course is up to you Craig. I am not on here to convince you. Just like you, I am here to express my opinion and belief's. I am not sure why God has chosen not to reveal Himself to you. I can not answer for Him. But I do know that He sent His Son to die for us. We have to respond to His love by accepting His Son as Lord and Savior. You have to understand that the forgiveness comes in knowing Him. That is why those that chose to reject Him end up in Hell. In a way, we send ourselves to Hell by refusing to accept Him. God the Father has done everything He could for us. Now it is up to us. I will pray for you Craig, I hope that you can find it in yourself to ask again. It is that important.

Me:Well if your "merciful" god doesn't reveal himself to me and then sends *me* to hell for it than he pretty cruel (as if I didn't already know that after reading Noah's Ark.) Why would god create faulty people and punish them for his mistakes?
You say you'll pray for me, and I will think for you.

Dave Harrisson: In respect to God creating "faulty people". What God desires from His creation is a relationship and worship from us. Now, He could have made a bunch of robots that just follow Him around. But, to get perfect worship and to have a real relationship, He had to give us a "free will". That means that we have to make choices. We can choose to have a relationship, or we can choose to rebel against Him. So again, you are looking at the wrong source. It is NOT HIM that chooses where you will go, it IS YOU that chooses. How about taking a little time to seek for Him. Try praying like I said before. Have an open mind as to HOW He will answer you. If you really want to know Him, step out towards Him. He already sent His Son, respond to that in "faith" that He will answer you. I guarantee that He will.

Me: So God's not sending me to hell for being who he made me, he's sending me to hell for being born in the wrong place and the wrong time.
I've taken the first 11 years of my life to seek him, in every way possible. I'm not going to spend my whole life desperatly seeking a big, bearded, white, merciful, cruel, male with magic powers, I want to ENJOY my life FREELY without having to worry about hell. And why should I believe in your god anymore than all the others?

Dave Harrisson: Craig, all you want to do is bash God. It is completely up to you in what you decide to do. Just don't be surprised at what happens in the end. Eleven years isn't all that much time either. You don't look very old in your picture, so I am curious just how much time you actually spent seeking the Lord. I didn't get an answer until I was 21. I searched for quite a while before He revealed Himself in a way that I knew it was Him. But in looking back, He was speaking to me all along. I was just expecting a different answer in a different way.o He may actually be trying to get your attention and you are just not hearing Him because you want a "sign or proof". Those are your words, not mine. It takes faith to please God.

Me: Eleven years is enough to convince me he doesn't exist, and I'm 15, thank you very much. As I said, I do not need to waste my entire life searching for a your god because some ancient, mistranslated, misinterpreted book says so.

"Don't be surprised at what happens in the end."

Was that a threat? I consider myself a fairly good person (not trying to be arrogant) and am quite sure that if there was a god he would judge me on how good a person I was and not damn me for being born in the wrong place and the wrong time. That would be quite cruel of him, which I guess wouldn't be too big of a surprise considering he completely slaughtered every living thing except for two of his favourites from every species. And not only that, but he condemned them all to eternal torture. And you worship this guy? You can no longer complain about Hitler.

Dave Harrisson: Dude, how could that be a threat. I have no power to do anything to you. The fact is... "He who has the Son (Jesus Christ) has the Father also. He who has not the Son, is condemned already". "There is none good, not one except Jesus Christ". God doesn't judge you as to whether YOU think you were good. You will be judged by His standard of Holiness. So, unless you are perfect, you can not enter the kingdom of God unless you are in fellowship with Jesus Christ. You may be good by human standards, but not by Gods. That is where you guys don't get it. You apply mans wisdom to what you think God should do. He is NOT A MAN.
I will pray for you Craig. You have some really strange views about God. I suspect that you have had a lot of hurt in your life. But I can no longer discuss this with you while you bash and curse my Lord and my God. He is just, righteous, Holy, merciful, good, etc...
His Son Jesus Christ is...
The prince of peace
Emmanuel
Mighty God
Lamb of God
Holy redeemer
Son of God
etc...

Me: So I could be an absolute hero but still be damned because I was born into the wrong culture? Cruel indeed. God killed 2,391,421 (not including Noah's Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc.). Satan killed a grand total of 10. So much for thou shall not kill. And you consider that "just, righteous, holy, merciful and good?" And on top of that there's the millions that humans killed in the name of god such as the crusades, witch hunts, etc. And you're telling me that I have strange views of god. You sir, are a hypocritical, extremist fanatic. You have failed to convince me anything other than confirming the points I have made.

He hasn't replied since that.

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Comment by Craig Nomazlab on December 14, 2009 at 12:35am
Me: How are we suppossed to know which religion is the truth? There are way too many and no more reason to believe one as to the other. "I can't handle the truth?" I think it's you who can't. You refuse to believe evolution because you don't want to give up your traditional belief.
Satan got people to sin so god decides he has to ruthlessly slaughter everyone without any warning? Very merciful.
And no, I'm not for slavery. I just don't think ruthless genocide is necessarily the solution. So "Thou shall not kill" doesn't apply when you feel they deserve it?

"It is a good thing that God forgives ANY sinner that comes to Him. Yes, rapists, murderers, even Hitler if he would have repented."

So god picks a few of his favourite murders and rapists into heaven and lets the others suffer?

"Sin is sin, no matter what it is. God is there for everybody, including Gays, if they repent of their sins."

They have to repent being born the way god created them? You believe they have to be ashamed of being born like that to get into heaven? You sicken me.
Comment by Mario Rodgers on February 28, 2010 at 6:01pm
God is a tyrant. End of story. Love should be love no matter where it comes from and just because you fancy yourself some kind of deity doesn't mean you should be beyond reproach. If the relationship between God and humans were translated into a relationship between parents and children, God would've had his stupid ass thrown in jail ages ago, were he even real.

Anybody who says that they "know" God is real is shoveling the biggest load of crap in your direction.

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