I previously posted an argument between me and Dave Harrisson on a Facebook poll. The epic argument continues.
Dave Harrisson: Dave Harrison: Satan has killed billions. Do Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Osama Bin Laden (just to name a few) ring a bell. That also includes those that killed in the name of Jesus. They bought the lie and had nothing to do with "true Christianity". And then EVERYBODY who he lied to about who is responsible for the very evil you accuse God of, that died without knowing their Lord. Satan has come to steal, kill, and destroy. You have bought the lie that God is responsible for the evil in this world. It is satan that is responsible, and the people who follow his lead. You have no idea what you are talking about. And BTW, it's not for me to convince you of anything. That is the Holy Spirit that does that. BTW, God has answered your prayer after all. He sent you a messenger, and all you did in response is curse God and accuse Him of evil. You are on very dangerous ground... Repent and turn to the Lord before it is to late. He is here to save you from darkness and sin. "in the last days, men will call darkness light and light darkness. they will mistake evil for good and good for evil". That is what you are doing Craig. When Jesus Christ was on earth, He harmed nobody. He healed everybody that came to Him. He delivered those that were oppressed and possessed. He brought salvation to a dieing world. Your accusations will not change those facts. You will not succeed in defaming the Lord. Again, you must repent and stop repeating the lies of satan. As it stands, he has you. When you die, you will be dead indeed if you do not repent. Hell is a very real place, and those that refuse to know Him will go there. Where and when you are born has NOTHING to do with it. YOU choose what you believe. Your circumstances have NOTHING to do with it. How "good" you think you are has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with a "relationship" with the living God. Thus far, you have chosen not to have the relationship with Him that you were created to have. Therefore you condemn yourself. You have knowledge of God. You have heard the word of salvation. Jesus Christ IS that word. If you chose to continue in denial of the truth and follow satan's lies, then you have made your choice. You will have the reward that is due to you.
I know I am speaking very strongly. It is because I care about you, more than you know. That is because Jesus cares for you more than you know. He wants a relationship with you. All you have to do is respond to His invitation Craig. He IS the answer to whatever has hurt you enough to hate God. You have placed that hate in the wrong place. Jesus Christ loves you, or He would not have sent me to discuss this with you. REPENT and be Baptized, and you will be saved. I am praying for you.
Me: "Do Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Osama Bin Laden Ring a bell." (Questions usually have question marks at the end)
Yes, and I believe that Hitler was a Catholic.
"You have bought the lie that God is responsible for the evil in this world."
Where in the bible does it say that Satan caused the flood in Noah's Ark? Where does it say that Satan caused the plagues in Egypt?
"BTW, God has answered your prayer after all. He sent you a messenger, and all you did in response is curse God and accuse Him of evil."
You're claiming to be a messager of god? What an arrogant thing to say. I'm quite sure god would not send some random idiot on the internet who I've never met before to be his prophet.
"When you die, you will be dead indeed if you do not repent. Hell is a very real place, and those that refuse to know Him will go there."
Now that defianatly was a threat and I'm not scared. I refuse to believe in a god who is the primary cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m ‘bad’. And then he offers no chance for redemption? If hell is as bad as it's reputed for than I'm quite sure a short period of time there could change a person for the better.
"Where and when you are born has NOTHING to do with it. YOU choose what you believe."
Yes it does! If my parents happened to be Buddhist than I would have been raised and taught to be a Buddhist! Not a Christian! Having been raised in that environment, I would've been a completely different person than one raised in a Christian environment! I chose what to believe giving the logical, and practical choices that are presented to me!
"How "good" you think you are has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with a "relationship" with the living God. "
So as long as you love god you go to heaven? Do you have any idea how many murderers, rapists, pedophiles and theaves would be walking around heaven? You sir, are very confused. Given your personality you're probably anti-gay as well and belive that they're all damned for being born that way.
If he exists and loves me that he can show it without using confused idiots on the internet like you. You can keep putting your hands together and thinking to yourself as much as you like but it's not going to change anything.
Dave Harrisson: Because I am a messenger doesn't mean I'm a prophet. I simply explained to you the love of God. That is what a messenger does, brings a message.
Just because you were born Buddhist or anything else for that matter, doesn't mean you can't find the truth. Especially when you have heard it, and you have.
Just because you claim to be Catholic, doesn't mean you are a Christian. BTW, I have repeatedly explained that to you. Start listening to everything that is said, instead of picking and choosing.
I still have not threatened you. I spoke the truth, plain and simple. Apparently... "you can't handle the truth"... lol
Yes, through sin, satan did cause the flood, and the plagues on Egypt. And BTW, the plagues would not have been sent if Pharaoh would have let his... uh... SLAVES go, which just happened to be the chosen people of God in the dispensation of the law. I guess you are for slavery? Wow... look at that. No typo this time... lol
It is a good thing that God forgives ANY sinner that comes to Him. Yes, rapists, murderers, even Hitler if he would have repented. You are welcome as well!
I would rather be considered an idiot for the Lord, than a worldly wise man without Him. And yes, I will pray for you.
As far as any sinner, I am not against any, including Gay people. I have Gay colleagues who are very good at what they do. They are no different than me. I love the sinner, but I hate the sin. Sin is sin, no matter what it is. God is there for everybody, including Gays, if they repent of their sins.
And finally, I will not stoop to insulting you as you have repeatedly tried to do to me. You see, there is more to life than hating somebody for anything that they may have said or done. I forgive you for your insults. I love you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Me: How are we suppossed to know which religion is the truth? There are way too many and no more reason to believe one as to the other. "I can't handle the truth?" I think it's you who can't. You refuse to believe evolution because you don't want to give up your traditional belief.
Satan got people to sin so god decides he has to ruthlessly slaughter everyone without any warning? Very merciful.
And no, I'm not for slavery. I just don't think ruthless genocide is necessarily the solution. So "Thou shall not kill" doesn't apply when you feel they deserve it?
"It is a good thing that God forgives ANY sinner that comes to Him. Yes, rapists, murderers, even Hitler if he would have repented."
So god picks a few of his favourite murders and rapists into heaven and lets the others suffer?
"Sin is sin, no matter what it is. God is there for everybody, including Gays, if they repent of their sins."
They have to repent being born the way god created them? You believe they have to be ashamed of being born like that to get into heaven? You sicken me.
Dave Harrisson: Romans 1: 24- 32. I didn't say it... He did. If you actually read this scripture, it will enlighten you. You can find it online if you don't have a Bible handy.
Again, and again and again... He doesn't pick and choose. The individual chooses of his own free will.
Did you know that Pharaoh killed off all the first born Jews first? Did you know that God sent prophets to warn the people before they were destroyed? God has always given the first opportunity to repent and obey His commands. It has always been up to the people to comply. So yes, satan is responsible.
By "truly seeking" the truth, you will know it. I suspect that if you let go of your hatred for God, you will hear a still small voice within you bearing witness to the truth. You know in your heart. It's there pricking your conscience all the time. If you drown it out with hatred, you will never be able to hear it.
I actually think evolution within the species is for real. I think it was part of Gods creation so that we could adapt to changing conditions on earth. I just don't believe the modern myth that everything started from absolutely nothing and developed without intervention into the complex and beautiful creation that we see around us. Except for that which man has proven so proficient at destroying. So you see, they actually work together.
Gay people can be delivered from their sin, just like an adulterer, murderer, liar, etc... They are all sins that come from the heart of man through he temptation of satan. God stands ready when you are.
Me: I read "Romans 1: 24-32" and why is it I feel more nauseous than enlightened? You're saying people *CHOOSE* to be gay? Did you chose to straight? Did you chose your gender? Did you chose your race? I don't think you did! That is (excuse my language) a fucking load of bullshit!
If one guy comes and says "What you're doing is wrong," the whole people won't necessarily listen. I'm not saying slavery is right, I'm just saying genocide is wrong. And did you know God created Satan?
Where has that little voice been during all those years that I wasted trying to find god? Why can't he just speak up a little bit?
What "modern myth that everything started from nothing?" I never said it came from nothing. I'm just saying it didn't come from a big, white, male living in the sky! As a said before, I don't know all the answers, and I don't pretend to like you do!
Being gay is not a sin! They were born that way as you were born straight! If they had a choice they would probably chose not having to be discriminated by religious extremists like you!