Comment by Cagliostro on August 28, 2011 at 10:10am

God is an alien.

 

Seriously. If he made Earth, then he can't be from Earth. Therefore, he's an alien.

Comment by Michael on August 28, 2011 at 10:33am

" IMAO", is all you will hear from naturalist. At the turn of Century when we were unaware  that the universe is 95% Non-baryonic, well and good. Now that our horizons have expanded, life forms should not be limited to what only constitutes 5% of the known universe. Moreover Life should not be limited to this Universe. In a multiverse, life can be eternal. Hopefully we will have results from the CERN LHC that substantiates higher dimensions. The quantum mechanics has been expanded to include macro quantum events and entanglement that effects everything from birds to the axioms of the neurons.  The simplistic naturalistic view can not hold as reality itself keeps unfolding in unseen vistas far beyond our naturalistic vantage point.

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Comment by Michael on August 28, 2011 at 10:40am

" IMAO", is all you will hear from naturalist. At the turn of Century when we were unaware  that the universe is 95% Non-baryonic, well and good. Now that our horizons have expanded, life forms should not be limited to what only constitutes 5% of the known universe. Moreover Life should not be limited to this Universe. In a multiverse, life can be eternal. Hopefully we will have results from the CERN LHC that substantiates higher dimensions. The quantum mechanics has been expanded to include macro quantum events and entanglement that effects everything from birds to the axons of the neurons.  The simplistic naturalistic view can not hold as reality itself keeps unfolding in unseen vistas far beyond our naturalistic vantage point.

Comment by Garrett Taffer on August 28, 2011 at 10:42am

Neanderthals lived about 200,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years, and were extinct about 30,000 years ago. 

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/homo-nean...

5,000,000 years ago, we were just going into Australopithecus stages, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

A monkey did NOT form into a human, a common ancestor did. It evolved into other types, including us. Our closest relative is the chimp, but we did not come from chimps, they are relatives throughout the time line.

As far as aliens are concerned, we simply don't have the evidence. If you happen to be Christian and believe the bible, then you may be interested in reading this:

http://www.creationists.org/ancient-alien-history-channel-rebuttal....

In some opinions, aliens would contradict the bible, showing that demons are responsible for  the alleged information some receive about aliens, including abductions. How the mind works is the best conclusion as to how some people seem to experience them: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200305/alien-abductions-the... and http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2005/09.22/11-alien.html

How about the evidence? It isn't evidence. You can thank HP Lovecraft for the idea, who was just a writer writing fiction, but the real culprit was Erich von Daniken's book, Chariot of the Gods. Daniken obviously plagiarized information form the Lovecraft's FICTION. He wrote is a real science, or rather pseudoscience. There is no scientific method. The paintings you see? Just art. The geometric patterns apparently created overnight in corn fields? Just two guys and some cutting tools who know how to put geometry on paper & translate it into the fields: http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/unexplained-phenom...

 

Why would an alien race go through so much trouble implanting DNA to genetically modify a species, cover it up, then leave? For gold? Really? That would mean that they would have taken the species they created, informed them on how to mine, gave them tools to mine with, and then go through another trouble of hiding this information just so we won't see it. It doesn't make sense.

Now, I'm NOT saying there couldn't be aliens. I'm hoping there are. It's just that the evidence given is weak or non-existent, like other things in life that turn out not to be true.

Comment by Garrett Taffer on August 28, 2011 at 10:44am

Oh, here is the HP Lovecraft/ Erich von Daniken connection: http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id26.html

Comment by Megan Church on August 28, 2011 at 3:24pm

I desperately hope aliens exist because that would just be WAY FUCKING COOL!!!

However, I desperately hope they NEVER stumble across our planet...we are stupid, they will blow us up or wall us off from the rest of the Universe (thx to South Park for that little gem). Likewise, I hope we NEVER find aliens because we'll do one of 2 things: 1) Chop them up into little pieces and try to harvest their DNA for the sake of human modification, which will be seen as violent and threatening so we'll be right back to the "blown up" category; 2) We'll infect them with our stupid human beliefs (sorry, god counts) and the irrational behaviours/politics thereof, our obsession with nasty fatty food (Jabba the Hut, anyone?), and our creeper-like love of technologies that keep us in La-zy Boy recliners and Rascal scooters listening to the cholesterol ooze through our arteries. The human race is not ready for aliens. The human race does not deserve information about aliens. With any luck, aliens will hack my computer someday and see this message and throw themselves into Warp Factor 4 and get the hell away before we nuke them to death.

Having said all that, yes, the History channel likes to give us an alternative to religion by saying aliens gave us our head start. Sorry, that is just as absurd as god. I agree with Garrett that it makes no sense at all that aliens would go to the trouble of genetically helping out our Neanderthal ancestors just for gold which they could much more easily attain by phasering the shit out of whatever portion of earth was in the way, scooping up the gold, and flying away. Also, I find it highly unlikely that after seeing how the human race was coming along many many years down the road, that the aliens would just shrug and fly off. More likely, they would see what a bust their little experiment was and blow us up before we figured out how to cause damage to the rest of the Universe.

 

*And on a completely unrelated side note: Sweetie, you really need to work on your grammar and punctuation. Badly. If you're old enough to type and use a computer and blog, you are certainly old enough to put the punctuation keys on your keyboard to good use. I may be being rude, but you're being lazy and there really is no excuse for that.* 

Comment by Alice Browne on August 28, 2011 at 3:58pm

Wow, I don't think I've ever come across someone who believes Aliensdidit and Goddidit at the same time.

Comment by Hobert Church on August 28, 2011 at 4:25pm

While it was almost impossible to follow this ridiculous stream of what I can only barely call consciousness, I think I got the gist of what you're trying to say: god created aliens and all life in the universe EXCEPT for humanity, that life evolved through Natural Selection to the point of attaining space travel and came to Earth to pollinate the earth with...what? Eukaryotic cells? Mitochondrial DNA? Whatever it was, it evolved into humanity for the sole purpose of harvesting gold for the aliens? Our evolution took hundreds of thousands of years, and the aliens would have had absolutely no guarantee that we would evolve into a form capable of doing what they wished, let alone that their descendants would care nearly as much about gold as they did. Do you see all of the ridiculous inconsistencies with this bastard form of scientology? Let me be a little clearer: IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!
And, yes, like Megan said, you really need to take a second-grade English lesson and start using punctuation. If you're going to argue with the grown-ups, you need to "speak" (so to speak) as grown-ups do. As your book says, "When I became an adult, I put aside childish things...". This includes run-on sentences with no punctuation marks. (It also includes imaginary friends, but that's another argument.)
-Scarecrow

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on August 28, 2011 at 4:30pm

I think Garrett Taffer answered this rather sufficiently so I'll defer most of my response to what he has already written.  I would like to add, however, that whenever you find extraordinary claims (god, aliens, 9/11 conspiracies) compelling, it is most often because you simply do not possess sufficient knowledge of the subject matter to understand the more mundane explanations.

 

In the case of human origins, most wild claim makers like to prey on just how little most people know about human history - this, of course, is partially the fault of religion.  They first like to raise doubt about the archaeological record (early carbon datings that were errant, pre-Clovis settlement of the New World, and other anomalous artifacts that are surprising if you don't understand them), then move on to suggesting man went from banging rocks to building rockets in just a few centuries, then insert their wild claim as to how all of these things can be explained.

 

Even as a Christian you should try to develop your skills as a skeptic.  When the church you are in makes claims about other churches, even Christian churches, you should try to investigate the facts so as to avoid becoming a bigot.  In the case of 'anti-science' claims being put forth, such as those by Michael Cremo, Zecharia Sitchin, or Erich Von Daniken, you often need not do much more than actually investigate some of the mundane 'facts' presented to discover that they are spinning a yarn.

 

As a good skeptic, even if you remain a Christian you will be able to avoid making the sorts of ridiculous claims that make most Christians seem like mentally handicapped mental patients.  Further, should you even depart from Christianity, good skeptic skills can lead you to an agnostic Atheist position directly without all the mucking about in new age malarkey like crystals and auras.  Just my two cents.

Comment by Artor on August 28, 2011 at 4:32pm

Please note; Erich VonDaniken is not a scientist. Zacharia Sitchin is not a scientist. Richard Hoagland used to be a scientist, but now he is a buffoon. They are fun to read if you like fantasy or conspiracies, but their writings have little or no bearing on history or reality. The Bible fits in this category too.

Aliens would have no need to mine for gold on a planet; they could get it easier and cheaper by mining asteroids.

Attributing human advances to aliens or gods, aside from blunting Occam's razor, severely under-rates humankind's very real achievements. Humankind is more awesome than you know! Study some history & science and find out for yourself!

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