Are atoms, solar systems, and our universe all they same with the same laws of physics?

I hate posting this because it might make me look like a complete idiot, but I don't know much about physics and this is just my observation.  I was thinking that undergraduate students must have already their professors this question, if not people like me before and considered it.  I mean it must not be that easy because then there wouldn't be a problem connecting quantum physics, with gravity, and electromagnetism, etc.  In the quantum world, time could move so fast that we can't comprehend it or measure it. It was measure in planktime (4340 trillionth of a second i think) big bang point to expand. The atom seems like a mini galaxy, Mini solar system,  mini universe, all like each other just in various sizes, gravity, and space time.  With all of the same rules just at different phases of the big bang/big crunch.  The big crunch is a black hole sucking in all things, the big bang a singularity blowing out everything.  Supernova like the big bang in the case of the solar system and stars exploding. The galaxy is like a atom with all of the same rules, a solar system, a universe. I mean they look the same, they all have smaller parts circling around them. The popping in and out of existence is the mini singularities (sub-atomic particles) happening at incredible speeds .  Black holes sort of pop in and out of existence, they become this massive dense point, then they could explode again over and over again. The universe is expanding and then it might collapse into another dense point or keep expanding being pulled by another universe which has more density and is sucking our smaller universe in with a more powerful force of gravity.  I bet everything I'm saying makes little sense or is too juvenile, with but at least I'm trying to find the answers.  I hope that one day someone discovers a unified theory, or perhaps we can see farther into the unknown.

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Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on June 9, 2011 at 7:54pm

In short, no. 

What most people consider to be the "laws of nature" are Newtonian physical laws.  They apply to the macro world that we can see.

When scientists descended into the micro world they found that Newtonian physics did not apply.  They had to discover and formulate Quantum physics to describe what goes on there.


There is some speculation about whether the events surrounding the Big Bang have a third set of physical laws, as yet only surmised by humans.  Scientists are currently working on a "theory of everything" which seeks to connect at least the Newtonian and Quantum physics together, if not whatever physics are related to singularities dense enough to result in cosmic proportion explosions.


Failure to understand these differences, and the false assumption that the rules of Newtonian physics applies to all matter and potential matter, is behind the cosmological argument of the existence of a god.  [Of course, the speaker presumes that this "god" coincides with his/her personal and probably unique definition of that word.]



Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on June 9, 2011 at 7:57pm
BTW, in the quantum world, "potential energy particles" randomly flit in an out of existence from "nothing",   with no cause.
Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on June 9, 2011 at 7:58pm
This is my potted version of my understanding of modern physics.  Since I do not pretend to be a physicist I am open to be be corrected by someone who has a legitimate right to that claim.
Comment by Heather Spoonheim on June 9, 2011 at 7:59pm

I think the atom as a solar system analogy is commonly arrived at but, as I now understand it, it is pretty far off.  Our conceptual model of electrons orbiting the nucleus is just a conceptual model and not very representative of what is really going on.  Electrons go from one orbit (energy state) to another with no transitional motion (as I understand it) and do not synchronize into an orbits based on mass, velocity, and gravitation of the nucleus.


What little I know of quantum physics tells me that everything I instinctually comprehend about physical reality does not apply at the sub-atomic level, if it even applies at the cosmic level.  I've had all these thoughts you have mentioned, and they still cross my mind from time to time, but most things that I have read indicate that truly understanding these matters requires a hell of a lot more reading yet.  Perhaps someone like Albert, who has a much better knowledge base and understanding of these things, can explain them better than I.

Comment by Ryan Burns on June 9, 2011 at 8:20pm

New evidence supports the idea that we live in an area of the universe that is "just right" for our existence. The controversial finding comes from an observation that one of the constants of nature appears to be different in different parts of the cosmos.

If correct, this result stands against Einstein's equivalence principle, which states that the laws of physics are the same everywhere.
Comment by Galen on June 9, 2011 at 9:37pm

Never understood the awe and god-claims over the "just right" universe we live in.  Well DUH, of course we MUST live in a universe that's just right for our existence because, HELLO, WE EXIST!  LOL!  If we didn't live in such a universe, we wouldn't be having the discussion!


Silly theists :)

Comment by Ryan Burns on June 9, 2011 at 9:42pm
I can imagine a species of silicon-based lifeforms, worshiping a silicon-based god that made them in his silicon-based image, crying out "But look at our universe! It was made just for us!!"
Comment by Sassan K. on June 9, 2011 at 10:48pm
There's the quantum world and the relativistic world. Einstein could never combine them bother together. Scientists are trying to put them together and are doing experiments through the great Hadron Collider in Switzerland-France.
Comment by Akshay Bist on June 9, 2011 at 11:53pm

Well, there is quantum mechanics for the micro world - very tiny objects, and general relativity(Newtonian mechanics are a special case of General Relativity) for the macro world - large objects. And they both are at odds with each other.

These days physicists claim to have found the missing link, the grand unified theory of everything - String Theory. When I first heard about it I thought it was too weird to be correct, and it didn't help that Richard Feynman had a dim view of string theory & string theorists. Though its kinda ironic that Feynman diagrams are now fundamental for String theory. After watching a few discovery science specials, I don't think that string theory is that weird anymore. Will probably read up on string theory, and quantum mechanics & relativity in a few months.

Anyone got a good popular science writer suggestion? I'm thinking Brian Greene.

Comment by Sassan K. on June 9, 2011 at 11:59pm
Dr. Michio Kaku - cofounder of string theory has written books on this subject. Akshay, I have it on ebook. Do you like reading ebooks? IF so, I can email it to you.


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