Comment by Gaytor on October 8, 2010 at 12:38pm

I might have looked for a white screen to pull down to help him with those projections.

Comment by Jon Heim on October 8, 2010 at 1:27pm

wow..this dark blue on black background is bugging out my eyes...

anyway, he said that "but the reason most people
become atheists is because they really
don't want to be told what to do." That certainly isn't true.

he also said : Why do you think atheists hate so many other
things about life? it's because their whole life is
spent running from something and denying it. In
their heart they know they are flipping god off
otherwise they wouldn't bring him up every five
minutes"

this is also not true. People only think that because it is propaganda from the church.
If anything, we hate a lot of things because we see how negatively it is effecting our lives and no one else understands.

Comment by Matthew on October 8, 2010 at 11:30pm

haha!! he just said that I need to knock it off when i posted a vid on my fb about muslims stoning a woman and said that xtians are commanded to do it to. he called me a "doctorninal idiot and I should quit or get off fb!" haha!~!

Comment by Matthew on October 9, 2010 at 2:33am

This guy is a canidate for sheriff of milwukee, wi. I posted a link in his page for a debate that getting shown on sat morning on thier local tv.

Steven Duckhorn matt seriously you need to give it a rest, you doctrinal idiot. there is not a christian church in the world that practices stoning. really either knock it off or get off of facebook.


then he blocked me after i rebutted his claim.


http://www.facebook.com/matthew.maxon?v=wall&story_fbid=1091067...

Comment by Matthew on October 9, 2010 at 2:35am

This is the convo redone.

The conversation I had with Steven Duckhorn last night. I wasnt even trying to piss him off.

I OWNED HIM IN THIS CONVO!!

Me:remember me yet
...
Him:working on it although I can't tell if you
hate athiests or are one

me:i am one now
left leaning libertarian humanist athiest
fiscally conservative
is that offensive to you steve

him:it's a free country. that's what makes it
great. not necessarily my cup of tea but cool

me:yeah it is and i defended those rights for 20 years too

Him:there you although you sound a bit angry but it's all good

me:i only get a bit angry when people try to
put god into the public sector where it
dosent belong or it hurts people
god belongs in your church or home
not in public like courts or city hall

him:you don't have to get mad caz they
already have laws to force seperation of
church and state Get mad that a muslim
terrorist shot up a military base and got away
with it under this administration Useful stuff like
that

me:but its not far enough imho..people try to
put creation in text books, or the
commandments on the courthouses and in
god we trust is on the money and pledge of
alliegence when it was added in the 1950's in
responce to the "communist threat" and
mccarthyism

him:you have to understand that saying F-you
God goes against what the country was
built on. not everyone hates God as much
as you do and you can't resent the people who
choose not to agree with you. I personally
wonder how you ever went to LGYC in the first
place.

Me:i was a true beleive then steve. and my
saying f-god is precisly what the this
country was founded on. freedom of
speech and to and from religion
most of the founding fathers would be considered
agnostic at best by todays standards
i even got my chief patch from LGYC
i still have them

him:i understand. but the reason most people
become athiests is because they really
don't want to be told what to do. It's one
thing to say I don't want to live by God's rules. To
flip of God is an act that takes a denial that you
have a conscience at all. I respect your right to
feel that way but I'm not killing my country by
praying to God anymore than you are by not
praying

me:i dont understand where you get your
information steve. most people become
athiests from thiests becuase they see the
flaws inhearant in it and realize that its nothing
more than Isaac Asimov for the Bronze Age. That
relgion is nothing more than a control mechanism
for people who want power and control of the
masses. The ceremonies, prayers, songs and peer
pressure become a form of mind control and
brain washing. we can talk about the existance or
lack of existance of god for another time, but i
have to disagree with you that praying is not
killing the country. the wars that we are in are
religious wars and both of the holy books
commands thier followers to kill unbelievers if
they cant be converted. i can give you chapter
and verse on that if you want me too.


Him:well all I can say is that there are two
sides of the coin...freedom from religion
and tyranny and freedom to worship
...whatever you please. You can't declare people
who subscribe to religion enemies of the state
that's what makes alquida so fatal. They
slaughter the people who don't believe as they do

me:i dont want to kill anyone but thiests do
im happy to live and let live without religion
religion is nothing more than an evolutionary
byproduct
an "unintended consequence" as it may be

him:i wish you well I hope your life gives you
the peace you want. but you have to
remember to ask yourself this question..
why don't athiests deny buddah or al-jahid or arei
karisha or the dalai lama? it's because they know
God is the authority they have to wipe out
because he is the one they can't deny.....oops

me:thats a misnomer steve
i do deny budda or all the rest of them
they just wanted power, money and or sex

him:well being your own god can be
frightening but I wish you well. just please
don't drive a plane into a church to prove
your point. we don't need that kind of fanaticism
on this earth any more

me:if you do a little reasearch on them, you
can see that for yourself
your kidding right
thats more of something that a thiest would do
another common misnomer is that athists are
violent
less that 300 people in federal prision are athiest
in one survey
how many people who claimed christian or muslim
and athiests are now20% of the population

him:the real issue matt is that you have to do
what it takes to be able to sleep at night
and if atheism works for you, then that's
the priviledge this country gives you. Don't bash
the same country that allows you to walk in
freedom without being caned or slaughtered or
burned for lack of submission. you can't have it
both ways. "I love this country caz I'm free to be
an athiest but god damn this country for its
religious fibre

me:im responsible for my own actions and
know that they have consequences and
this is the only life we get and not one in
the after life
you do see that religion will kill us as a species
right?

the only reason why christians arent as militant as
we used to be is becuase of the reformation
and western society
one plays on each other

him:if you remove moral fibre from man than
what is the difference between us and the
common dog? no matt it won't kill us. It
will keep us from wiping eachother off the face of
the earth

me:if not..we would be the christian state like
iran
respecting each other as humans and
sentient people with feelings, concerns and cares
will do the same thing steve

him:i appreciate your view matt, but I guess I
just have to disagree on the fact that it
takes more work to deny God than believe
Why do you think athiests hate so many other
things about life? it's because their whole life is
spent running from something and denying it. In
their heart they know they are flipping god off
otherwise they wouldn't bring him up every five
minutes. I don't talk about the tooth fairy every
five minutes because she REALLY doesn't exist.

Me:the people like myself who fight as much
becuase silence is seen as consent to all
of it. i do not consent.
and it takes more to beleive than disbelieve steve
its a fantasy and not realisty
reality
what can be asserted without evidence can be
dismissed without evidence

him:i don't fight catholicism or the occult
because I don't care. athiests fight it
because they know to remain silent allows
their conscience to show up. If I'm screaming or
yelling and hating the world, I don't have the time
to notice that I am wrong and I know it

me:where can you prove your right
show me god in fact not emotion
ill beleive again

him:show me that a guy will stop for a red
light guaranteed and I'll drive through the
intersection. YOu can't. we drive by faith

me:how about the fact that if you dont stop
you can get hurt or damage a car worth
thousands of dollars and seriously
interfeer with what you have planned for the day
its mutuall recoprocity
dont hurt me and i wont hurt you, and help as
well

him:that doesn't guarantee that you won't get
hit by a car tomorrow. we accept all kinds
fo things by faith, matt, the person who
demands evidence is the person who demands a
prenup because his wive's vows aren't enough
what it really is IS self indulgant arrogance. who
am I to demand that life prove itself to me?

Me:richard dawkins talks about this in his
book "the god delusion"
sure i have faith that sun is going to rise
tomarrow morning even if there was a nuke war
tonight. the remnants of the earth will keep going
in orbit.

i think that the idea of personal god who loves us
and cares for us in this insignicant world in this
huge universe is arrogant. we are not special
life has been nearly wiped off this planet a few
times and will prolly happen again
if we dont do it to ourselves

him:and who set that in motion?? oops sorry
matt the world didn't just plop out of a
marble bag. the truth is you don't want
anyone to bully you around, you are your own
man god dammit and no one is going to tell you
what to do. Just say it and stop making it a noble
cause

me:who made god
same arguement a differnt way
your right in that world just didnt pop out of no
where, science hasnt figured it out yet but
lawrence krauss and others are closing in and
soon enough we will know about the big bang
in not a physicist so do some research
i have done a bit
after that happens, where will god be hiding?

Him:the same big bang they've been kicking
around for 75 years....? seriously what
bothers me is that you could have
befriended me to say hey buddy hope life is good
but to befriend me so that you can purposely pick
a fight to say "F your GOD" I hate to be jack
nicholson about it, but I would have rather you
just kept on your way and say thank you. I"ll talk
with ya but not if you just want to rip on a God
who saved your sorry carcass from Hell You're not
going to convert me because I'm not the one
living in conflicted anger and it's an insult to find
me after all these years just to do so

me:im not trying to convert you steve and i
am more than happy to not talk religion
with you

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