I got in an argument over homosexuality and it's "sinfullness" with a Christian on youtube: ( http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=hA78IEN6Dog
). So I decided to post it for anyone who's bored enough to read it. Unlike my argument with Dave Harrison, I was a little more rude in this one.
Sorry, the order the comments came in is kinda messed up.ChristianAnyonymous:
God LOVES everyone, and I totally know that but he doesn't want you to
practice the sin and think it's okay to do it! I am not American, just
to let ya know! The first thing you have to know is that homosexuality
is a sin. If you read the bible you could see that God burned down
Sodomy because there were people that practiced homosexual. Would you
think God would be thinking like. HEY HOMO PEOPLE OF AMERICA! YOU COULD
CHILL AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT EVEN IF I BURNED DOWN SODOMY, NOW IS
So your "loving" and "merciful" god (who is a white male with a beard)
decided to burn everyone and then condemn them to eternal torture
because some ancient book that he supposedly wrote and everyone is
supposed to believe (because ancient books are always true, right?)
says it's a sin along with the earth only being 6000 years old, and
that he pretty much snapped his fingers and we appeared out of
nowhere? You are a extremist, fanatic, intolerant, discriminating
idiot. I hope you die.
LOL!! And I'm the one being called "intolerant".
Let me see if I have this right, I'm "intolerant", yet I'm not the one wishing that the other dies.
What I do wish for you however, is that you come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ before it is too late.
Yes you are. You wish that everyone who is not born the same way as you
dies! You're against an entire type of people. I'm against your
bullshit opinions. I don't threaten to kill people because of their
race, gender, sexual orientation or religion., like you.
Jesus Christ just saved me by appearing on burnt toast and telling me
all homosexuals deserve to die and go and suffer for eternity for being
born who they are!" You and your bullshit can kiss my sinful, heathen *ss, b*tch!
Actually, I don't wish for anyone to die.
I think he deleted his next comment, but here's my response
For the record, I've never ever threatened anyone with death in my 45 years of being alive.Me:
You're telling them they deserve to, you're just not saying you're going to be the one to do it.
Right, and that is exactly what the Bible says too. I have no ability
to send anyone to Hell, that is God's job, not mine. My only job, is to
proclaim the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in hopes of warning
people of the judgment to come. Btw, in reality, God doesn't send
people to Hell, they send themselves. God has made every attempt to
insure that people don't go to Hell, so if anyone goes there, he or she
has no one else to blame but themselves.
Jesus loves homosexuals and I do too.
He just hates the sin because homosexuality is a sin.
: So he loves them but sends condemns them to eternal torture? How loving.White7en
: He's made every effort to insure that people don't go to eternal torment, and yes, that is extremely "loving".
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Me:
No he hasn't. Some ancient, mistranslated, misunderstood book says you're gonna burn if you do this. That's not every effort.White7en
: Jesus dying on the cross in your place, is every effort.Me:
If god really wanted us to believe in him then he would send something completely superhuman and unnatural. Anyone can just say "I'm Jesus,
your lord and savior!"
Supposedly, some guy said he was the son of god. Supposedly, he died hundreds of
years before any of us were born. That may have worked on the people
who were alive to see what/if it happened. However, it won't work with
people hundreds of years later who just have some book that says it
Me: Then you are really doing amazingly at your job. You're so full of
shit. You aren't convincing anyone anything, all you are donig is
insulting and threatening people. And yes god does send people to hell.
He has the power to save them and show them the truth and a more clear
way than an ancient, mistranslated, misunderstood book that just says
he wrote it without any proof that he actually did.
Who have I insulted?
Btw, you just called me an "intolerant asshole" and said I was "full of shit".
Doesn't this constitute insulting someone?
Who have I threatened?
Yes, He has the power to show them the truth which He does, but, He
will not force anyone to believe, if they choose not to.
is where you're wrong my misguided friend, there is nothing wrong with
the Bible. People come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, every day
by reading that "ancient, mistranslated, misunderstood book". If just
one is capable of getting saved by reading the Bible, then that shows
that there is nothing wrong with the Bible.
You've insulted every homosexual who read your comments. You called
them sinners and told them they deserve to suffer unless they somehow
turn into straight people.
Yes I did say those things because
you're either very confused or very full of shit. Homosexuals did
nothing to harm you or anyone else and there's no reason why they
should be damned, which they won't be.
Yes it does. Did I say it didn't? No. Do I feel any shame? No.
Homosexuals. I don't think I need to explain.
That's not an insult my friend, that's Biblical truth.
has to turn into straight people to be saved. I have friends at my
church who have become born-again who came out of the homosexual
lifestyle. While some are in heterosexual marriages, others have
remained single and appear to have no desire to marry or even date
Some that I know, still have same sex attraction. But, because the Lord
has revealed to them the sinfulness of homosexuality, they are leading
what appear to be fulfilling yet celibate lives. They haven't become
straight by a long shot, but they are still saved. Sexual attraction
may not be a choice, but sin, is always a choice.Me:
No he doesn't give them sufficient proof. He should. He has the power
to change them and save them, but he doesn't! He throws a book in there
that has been mistranslated and misunderstood, while there's all these
other things saying why you shouldn't believe it!
comment. All you are basically saying is "The bible is right, believe
it." You haven't given any reason why I or anyone else should believe
you. You are not accomplishing anything.
Yes I am accomplishing something. I am proclaiming truth. I'm not
trying to save anyone or convince anyone of anything. That is not my
job as a born-again believer. My only job, is to proclaim the truth,
which I do on a daily basis here and at other websites.it'salwaysaboutjesus:
God gives them power to change, but they have to want to change. That's why God says repent.
Repent means to change. If they truly repent they'll change.
"Oh God! I'm so sorry that you made me and that I happened to be born
as a homosexual being raised by a family with the wrong religion!
Please, have mercy!"
Yeah, repent. Not going to happen.
That's why you're not going to change. So don't blame God and say that his power doesn't work.
I'm who I am because I was raised in this environment. I have no
control over where I was born or who raised me. I'm not going to hell
for being born in the wrong place at the wrong time. If your god was so
merciful he would save me. I'm not going to randomely decide to become
a fanatic because some book says I'm going to hell if I don't. If god
wanted me to be one then he would give a reason to and I've only seen
reasons not to.White7en:
God isn't going to change anyone if they have no desire to be changed.
The only people that are changed, are those who desire to change. Jesus
is a gentleman, as such, He will never force Himself on anyone. We must
come to Him in faith and repentance, if we desire to be changed.
Why would god make it harder for some people? Why would he allow some
people to find love but have it a sin for others? You want to know why?
Because the people who wrote the bible were homophobic. Yes, the
*PEOPLE* not the big sky fairy! You fanatics are all the same! You are
all brainless slaves to the fucking book! Learn to get over it, it's
not true and enjoy your life freely and shamelessly! Trust me, you'll
be much happier, and others will like you much more.White7en:
My goal in life, is not to have people like me. My only goal, is to
glorify Christ in all that I do daily and proclaim His truth also daily.
As for the rest of your comments, I thank you for your opinion.
White7en: (In response to someone elses comment)
Nor was this war fought in the name of Christianity, it was fought in the name of national security.
So "Thou shall not kill" doesn't apply when murdering innocent people
because it's OK if you have the intention to kill someone who isn't
How on earth can anyone disagree with this statement?
This is how Jesus taught His followers to conduct themselves.
I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
Please tell me how anyone is in danger at the hands of a Christian, who conducts him or herself in this manner.
Oh, there are endless examples. Millions of people were burned alive
and thrown of cliffs for "witchcraft." Millions were sent to kill and
be killed in the crusades. People have forced their kids to turn down
medicine and pray (they died horribly and painfully). People murdered
homosexuals and abortion doctors in the name of god.