Our planet is a closed system. 

There are a limited number of compounds in our earthly ecology, but still plenty enough to combine in various ways to do amazing things like cure infections and vaccinate against diseases. These are HUGE game changers in our evolution as a species. We are the first...the very first creatures in known existence that can willfully control our reproduction. 

Medical advances snowball. All it takes is one good advance, one leap of science to cause an avalanche. Every major medical advancement we rely on now was only invented a few generations ago. That's pretty amazing considering the fact that most of humanity has pretty much been hunters/gatherers/farmers without a whole lot of variation for the last few hundred thousand years. 

Virtual reality is starting to place reality reality and reality reality is a lot scarier than pretend reality. Look at the technology we have now. Some of it is far more impressive than we could have ever imagined (and considering this is the species that brought you 'immaculate conception' that's saying something. 

Star Trek communicators looked like such a gadgety wet dream back in the day, but my cell phone can balance my checkbook and remind me to take my allergy medicine. I can also talk on a hands-free set where other occupants of the same space only get to hear one side of the conversation, instead of the whole damn room getting exposed to potentially personal information. Take that Gene Roddenberry!

I'm a diver. I fully understand and can probably better conceptualize just how much we don't know about our world. There is a whole lot of unexplained out there, and every new discovery can be the potential 'next-big-thing.' Hell, even what's already been discovered but recently forgot holds interesting potential for the advancement of mankind.

That's why  I actually listen to some of the less-than-mainstream sources for medicine. 

85% are total bullshit. I'll admit that right off. But generally there is some good advice about avoiding ingredients in food that you can't pronounce, taking a closer look at nutritional guidelines and figuring out that there is something wrong when a decongestant is considered safe but a diet pill is considered dangerous and banned, even when it is the same ingredient. Yeah. Shit doesn't always add up, but I'm  not on the crazy boat. Aloe doesn't cure cancer. Red meat does not cause cancer. There is no magic potion or healing 'vibes.' Crystals are pretty to look at but won't balance chakra. There is no such thing as chackra. 

My friend is Australian. Statistically he's more predisposed towards skin cancer than I am. I'm American. 

Science says that the ozone layer is thinner above Aussieland, and that accounts for the disproportionate number of skin cancer cases. 

I maintain it is because we very abruptly dumped a boatload of white people into an environment that wasn't the friendliest for anyone, especially those without a whole lot of protective coloring. Evolution takes more than a few generations. As a species, we aren't so good with rapid change.

So anyway, my friend has skin cancer. Four surgeries in total on his shoulder to fully remove two lumps. Now it is back on his leg.

Instead of going through surgery again, he started using this stuff.

http://health.centreforce.com/health/herbalhistory.html

It worked, apparently.

I've got the pictures but need permission to post them. He applied the salve, it created the nasty pocket thing, and then the diseased lump fell out. The painless hole in his flesh that remains is pretty scary to look at, but it is filling in fast. Treatment complete and western doctors have confirmed he's cancer free.

So, what do you all think?

I'm not claiming anything either way.  I don't say how or why this works or if it even did work. 

I'm just wondering about thoughts and opinions. 

Folks?

 

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Comment by MikeTheInfidel on January 30, 2011 at 11:03pm

I've heard of this before and I can tell you exactly what it is. It's a caustic chemical that causes chemical burns and pustules on the skin. They eventually burst and peel away, and the claim is that what falls away is the original cancerous tumor. The cancer is still there. I highly, highly doubt that "western doctors have confirmed he's cancer free."

Anyone who actually cured cancer would make a mint off of their discovery, not to mention win the Nobel prize. The fact that these people haven't done that should make your friend incredibly wary of anything they're claiming.

Here's a quote from a skeptical website describing the reality of the type of chemicals used in the page you linked to:

Neoplasene is a derivative of bloodroot, which is one of several caustic herbal products known as escharotics. When applied topically in sufficient concentrations, these derivatives burn the flesh and cause tissue necrosis, often leaving thick scabs called eschars, and tremendous local devastation of healthy tissue. The danger of these products is well-illustrated by case reports in the scientific literature. Though the promoters claim the chemicals somehow recognize cancerous tissue and spare healthy tissue, there is no clinical evidence of this. Some preliminary in vitro research certainly shows the chemicals can kill cells. And there is some limited evidence that they may even be better at killing diseased cells than healthy cells in culture. But when you smear the stuff on your skin to “draw out” the neoplastic cells and leave untouched the healthy tissue, you’re likely to wind up with a gaping hole and a lot of plastic surgery to look forward to. If you’re especially lucky, though, some deeper neoplastic cells will be left behind, and the provider of the salve can then explain why the recurrence or metastasis of your cancer despite its apparent removal by the product is not their fault. Probably chemicals in the water or something.

http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/07/neoplasene-the-latest-head-of-the-...

Tell your friend he's been conned and he should seek actual cancer treatment. His cancer is not gone; he's been given a treatment that causes a problem and then told that when the problem went away, it was really his cancer being cured.

Comment by MikeTheInfidel on January 30, 2011 at 11:07pm
When it comes to alternative medicine, I'm with Tim Minchin.
"Alternative medicine, by definition, either has been proved not to work or has not been proved to work. You know what they call alternative medicine that has been proved to work? Medicine."
Comment by Becca on January 31, 2011 at 10:56am
Sometimes cancer just goes away. Unfortunately the lucky individuals that is happens to often ascribe the fact that their cancer is gone to some sort of unproven treatment they were trying out of desperation.
Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on January 31, 2011 at 9:32pm

I've got the pictures, but he has asked that I don't post them until the hole that's left behind fills in.

Apparently he's been told that the hole will fill in without cosmetic surgery. 

As I said before, I'm not claiming this stuff works one way or another. I'm just reporting why I don't dismiss it outright and what he's relayed to me. 

When/if I get permission to post the pictures, I'll do them in  chronological order so we can all take a good long look and cyber-examine it until we are as satisfied as we are going to be. 

Becca-Can you show me a case of skin cancer that has just "gone away" without any intervention? I'm not doubting you. I'm just curious. It isn't something I've ever heard of, though the last thing you'd want to tell anyone in that situation is "meh, maybe it will just go away on it's own." so it's possible there is a good reason why I haven't heard about it. If it does happen, it's not something that should be shouted from the rooftops. 

 

This guy isn't an idiot and he isn't some anti-pharm nut. Like I said, he's had a slew of surgeries already and did his part weighing the risks and benefits. 

He's also a member of this site. 

 

I'm totally with Mike on this. It's why I had the word in quotes. Alternative medicine is not an alternative. It's just plain medicine. If it works, it works. If it doesn't....well, not even all Western cancer treatments work. Does that make them bunk? 

Nope. It just means that the human body is incredibly complex, and we don't fully understand it yet. The more I learn about medicine, the more I realize that a good chunk of medically trained people (myself included) are stumbling around in the dark about a lot of things. There aren't a lot of black and whites in medicine, despite what we are taught in school. 

So let's see what happens. 

If there was enough "evidence" to convince my intelligent, skeptical and non-suicidal friend to give it a shot, his 'remission' will be enough to make me want to look more deeper into it. 

As of yet, I haven't actually read much at all on this type of treatment. 

Looks like a caustic chemical that's applied directly to his skin. 

How is that any different than burning off a wart or skin tag or even removing melanoma with surgery? 

I mean, I wouldn't call this a miracle of traditional medicine or anything. 

At a very superficial glance, it makes sense to me. 

This shit burns. Put it on a spot that you want burned and if it works, it works.

And if it doesn't?

Well, that's his choice to make, not mine. 

But I do actually applaud him for taking the chance. 

Goodness knows I've attempted enough human experiments on myself because I wanted answers that a textbook couldn't provide. 

 

 

Comment by Becca on January 31, 2011 at 10:43pm

Check out this link and scroll down to Keratoacanthomas.  And this link.

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on February 1, 2011 at 12:12am

Interesting and thanks for the links.

These are actually pretty fair articles. I was afraid it was going to be all hype. But at least it did clearly state how very, very rare these instances are. 

Call it human tendency, but if I'm faced with coming to a conclusion between 'spontaneous remission' and 'goop that ate the cancer out of my leg' I'm honestly probably going to lean toward the goop. 

Especially if that goop spits out a scary looking ball of nastiness that looks like it might regain a higher thought process at any moment and chase me down to kick my ass. Seriously. Some of those pics were nightmare inspiring, even for me. 

Right then. I'll gather some more information on all this and post the visuals when I'm allowed. 

While we are on the subject, has anyone heard anything about high dose vit. C by IV to treat cancer? I actually saw something on this in a doctor's office, and was just curious. 

Comment by Jonel Burge on February 1, 2011 at 5:05pm

Snake Oil Supplements Information is Beautiful

This is what I use to decide if taking any sort of supplement is worth it, to help an ailment/etc.

Homeopathy is bunk.

And I fully research anything before putting it on my body.

That said, I'm not a fan of antibiotics, as they work, but used too much--they don't work.

I don't think any of the "alternative" remedies for cancer work, except perhaps the ones focusing on diet--having a healthier body in general will definitely help. As will having a good support system for treatment, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the homeopathic remedy stuff is just the placebo effect. Just as many of these "diets" like vegetarianism, veganism, and one diet I read about based off of "cavemen lifestyle" is more about the support one gets from it--much like a food-based cult, than the actual diet. With a close group of friends--the caveman diet had a close, tight-knit group that would work out together and do barefoot runs in New York across the Brooklyn Bridge. Social status and group membership is so very important for health, I'm pretty sure this would do more good than any of these "remedies" or "cure diets".

Comment by Gregor Basić on February 2, 2011 at 6:44am
Someone once said that if alternative medicine works we call it medicine, I rest my case.
Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on February 2, 2011 at 11:23pm

Jonel-I'm with you there. I've never been so horrified and insulted in my life since reading Hahnemann (or however the hell you spell that quack's name)

Homeopathy is disgusting because 1) It insists on asking the patient why they "want" to be ill. It pretty much insinuates that disease only happens if you allow it, therefore if you get sick it's your own fault. 

Oh. Then there is that "magic water" bullshit that boggles my mind. How do rational adults buy into that pish? 

 

Gregor-Yeah. We talked about that. Did you even read the other comments before posting? 

That was sort of addressed in the part why I said that the word "alternative" was in quotes for a reason. 

Comment by Gregor Basić on February 3, 2011 at 8:09am

Sorry I missed that part, but you could reinterpret my comment like: I agree with some alternative medicine that is not yet well know and one day will be medicine if it really works. I agree it's kind of a weasel answer :(

But I will fix things by telling an on-topic story :)

A day ago my old uncle went to homeopathy clinic because no doctor would help him with his problem a) because it is an unknow problem and b) because he is one foot in the grave.

The problem he has is that he hears a baritone singing an aria sometimes and it makes him drowsy. Because he was an opera director in his life and loves arias, he knows that this baritone sings different arias, and same arias in a different way every time. Now I actually believe that homoeopathy will help him because it is a huge placebo and because old people need/feed on attention to the extent that they will claim that they got better :D

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