What tells us that there is absolute justice? not just after death but before death here at earth.Why do we need absolute morals? How can there even be absolute moral in every given setting.You always hear from religious people "Well then Stalin,Hitler got away with it!"....if there's no hell then everything is ok! So? if that's the case then let's prevent these things to happen in the future! We all have these moral feelings,senses within whether religious people like to admit it or not.I honestly think we get our morals by instincts and through survival.We couldn't have made it on our own anyway we kinda had to get along.There are great forms of justice in the world,but not equally
"rational" of course we have to apply to a standard what's good and what's bad for society and peoples life.

I think a immoral action is a action that potentially could provide suffering to someone else.If you've done something you shouldn't.I think you would kinda feel bad, because most of the time you can understand how it would be to be in a situation when someone feel unfair treated.Because you have been in a situation like that maybe before.We all have gone through life and sometimes felt unfair treated of some kind.

I see no signs or anything that there's a absolute justice,morality at all.No demonstrations of any kind.Let's get together and build a better world by hard discussion,reasoning,science and secular morality.Thanks that's all for now.Hope someone enjoyed my readings!

I've got a blog as well if anyone is interested.


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Comment by Matt Coulthurst on October 8, 2010 at 9:10am
There are certainly problems with any notion of an absolute moral truth, most notably a modified version of Plato's Euthyphro Dilemma: "Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?"

There is a great deal of debate currently regarding evolved moral traits and whether science can provide or inform our moral values. See Sam Harris' new book "The Moral Landscape" for instance.

I personally subscribe to a diluted form of moral nihilism in that I do not think that moral assertions have any kind of ultimate truth value. I certainly agree that we have common evolved traits that can inform our moral decisions - empathy, reciprocity etc - and that there are certain moral assertions that are better or worse than others. However the truth of these assertions ultimately rests on a value judgement (eg: it is better for humans to flourish than to not flourish). Since values are inherently subjective and do not exist outside of the scope of an object-subject relationship, there can be no ultimate objective truth to any kind of moral statement.

Having said that, there is no reason why we - as rational human beings - cannot choose set of values to live by. Once we have done so we are certainly able to make useful and objective moral assertions that will improve and inform the cultures in which we participate.
Comment by Svendsen on October 8, 2010 at 9:28am
well put.hmm yea i heard harris has a new book.ill check it out thx.


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