Ever since I found my biological family and learned of my story, along with a combination of many other factors in my life, and things going on, I have felt a strong pull back towards the realm of some sort of higher presence. I do not like how it has been playing out in my life.

For example: I went to church with a friend last week with the intention of just getting out and being social and letting my son play with his little friend.

What ended up happening is that I actually found myself getting roped in emotionally.

There are lots of things that have happened lately and I won't bore you with the details. Ultimately I am just going through a time of really a battle within myself...it is very hard to explain.

I know there is no god, and yet I feel pulled toward...something.

I don't know.

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Comment by Simon Paynton on February 7, 2016 at 2:32pm

I don't know how you feel about this, but I've been looking at the New Testament recently, and this is what Jesus was cock-a-hoop about.


I notice that the metaphor of "water" keeps coming up time and time again, to describe it.  Drinking from the cup, water of life, fountain of life, streams of living water, etc.  It's not what I would have chosen, but it obviously spoke to Jesus and others.  Another thing: when my friend was deep in the depths of schizophrenia, the turning point came when a "great mother" spoke to her and in conjunction there was a great stream or torrent of water "of life" or truth.  To her, it is very much bound up with truth, truth is love is what she says, lies are hell.  Since then, she got better and has been buzzing ever since.

If you want me to supply some bits out of the New Testament I will, but not now as I am done in with various things.

This is what atheist morality and ethics is based on; it's the real deal and the more you explore the idea, the more it keeps on giving.  It allows you to directly cross-translate from one domain to the other and gives atheists one of the keys to directly understanding religion on their own terms.

So yes, I can understand and get a lot out of church services on this basis.  It's used in conjunction with this ethical formula: which looks abstract but you need to work with it and make it your own as a basic framework.


This came from looking at my friend who is very much a role model for much of this work.  These two things together are the key to Jesus' message, along with the idea of "unconditional love" (helping and educating rather than judging and condemning, only putting your foot down where necessary, after all it is necessary to be firm, as life is not for pussies).

I'm going to have a lot to say about the religious ideas of judgement (i.e. they suck ass) when I get my head back together.

Comment by Belle Rose on February 7, 2016 at 3:49pm
It is stupid really. Just another form of escapism.
Comment by Simon Paynton on February 7, 2016 at 4:24pm

Not at all.  There are a lot of valuable things in there if you can recognise them and understand them.  It's not necessary to believe in God in order to understand it right from the inside.  Of course, you have to approach it with a highly "critical" - "discriminating" - viewpoint.  Be prepared to cheerfully chuck half of it out of the window.  What's left can sometimes be very wonderful.  If you have a good quality reference point, you don't need to get lost and you can keep your bearings. 

And anyway, is escapism so bad?  We all need to escape sometimes.  It's just a question of where to. 

Comment by Simon Paynton on February 7, 2016 at 4:25pm

Of course, they are pretty frigging weird.  But it's a safe place to go for a swim in my opinion. 

Comment by Davis Goodman on February 7, 2016 at 4:41pm

One of the things I enjoyed most about life in Canada was the great sense of personal autonomy. You didn't have to do most things if you didn't want to...and the price for not doing some activity or not-agreeing with someone...was not at all as high as in other countries (continental Europe...worse in Asia and Africa). It is so easy to meet new people in North America and no end to interest groups and sports teams and recreation centres and hobby classes etc.

I know it isn't always easy with a child but I'm certain you don't need to do things you don't want to and compromise with people who don't return your good will when there are so many other good people to meet and so many ways to meet them.

Comment by Belle Rose on February 7, 2016 at 5:00pm
Well said Davis. :)
Comment by Unseen on February 7, 2016 at 11:12pm

I would go looking for hot sexually-frustrated and -repressed chicks.

Comment by Simon Paynton on February 8, 2016 at 8:51am

Would you now. 

Comment by Simon Paynton on February 8, 2016 at 8:52am

@ Belle Rose  - seriously. 

Comment by Simon Paynton on March 3, 2016 at 4:59pm

"Drinking from the cup, water of life, fountain of life, streams of living water, etc.

- fountain, spring, source, you get the picture.  It's in each living thing if you think about it.  A constant source of health and renewal, that is useful to each organism, and this is what we respect when we respect a person's rights. 


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