7 simple, common-sense evidences that blow the literal Bible out of the water

From exmocaptainmoroni on r/atheism some good ammo, common knowledge, and easy to understand material to use in our all-but-pointless-debates with theists! Enjoy:

7 simple, common-sense evidences that blow the literal Bible out of...

The Bible has quite a few dates and talks about lots of old men who supposedly lived for 900 years. Using these dates and records, Christian apologist Bishop Ussher created the most commonly accepted chronology that claims that the Earth was created in 4004 BC. Most Christian Fundamentalists still accept this date or at least a very similar one. Here are seven reasons that they are crazy! These can be some fun little tools for anyone who wants to debate a Christian fundamentalist in front of a reasonable audience.

  1. The Pyramids Everyone knows that they are there. Even Southern Baptist apologists can't deny their existence. So how does their very existence destroy Biblical inerrantism? Because every single one of them was built hundreds of years before the Bible says that the Flood supposedly wiped out humanity. The Great Pyramid of Khufu in Giza was built around 2550 BC according to Egyptian records. That is 200 years before the flood. Embarassingly, God's miles high flood made no mark on the pyramids or their contents. The mummies and artifacts inside are still dry and in great shape. If there really had been enough water to cover the Earth, it would have exerted a force of at least 1.8 million pounds per square foot on the Pyramids (assuming that the water was high enough to cover the entire Earth and all the mountains as the Bible says). This amount of pressure would have completely destroyed the antiquated architecture and mummies.

  2. Tree Rings Dendrochronology, the study of tree rings, is an interesting and informative science that can tell us much about history. Every year, each tree creates a new growth ring. The size of this ring depends on the conditions of that year. Scientists can take cores of these trees and count the number of tree rings in order to give the age of the tree. Each year has a distinctive pattern depending on the local conditions. Amazingly, we have a species of tree, known as Bristlecone Pines, that provide a record of tree rings that extends back 11,000 years to 9,000 BC. This is an obvious problem for those that believe that the Earth was still "matter unorganized" back then. We even have a tree, known as Methuselah, that has now been alive for 4,842 years and counting as shown by its rings. That means that the tree was born in 2831 BC. This tree (and many others) kept living right on through the Flood that supposedly killed everything in 2350. The lowly Bristlecone Pine has toppled the Holy Bible simply by living when it should have died.

3 Carbon Dating Radiometric dating is one of the strongest killers of Biblical literacy and one that creationists love to hate. Basically, radiometric dating measures the amount of an isotope and its decayed products are present in a given sample. It is based on the universally admitted fact that radioactive things decay at a certain rate. Through simple math, one can figure out the age of the sample. Radiometric dating is important because it proves that fossils are much older than a few thousand years old. This data shows that the Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years which obviously destroys the Ussher Chronology. Creationists often claim that "decay rates may have changed" or "I carbon dated my dead cat and the answer was off, so..." I have heard all kinds of silly attempts to discredit radiometric dating. The fact remains that we have used this method with not only carbon-14, but with more than 50 other isotopes to confirm the dates. Each of these 50 isotopes decays at a different rate. Yet, they all agree that the Earth is more than 4.5 billion years old. This is important. The half-lives for isotopes range from 70*10-18 seconds for Be-8 to 2.28*1024 years for Te-128. This is a huge range of time. That means that God would have had to speed up each of the 50 isotope's half-lives by vastly different factors in order to fool us into thinking that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. How ridiculous. My question is: why do creationists make insane claims about basic laws of physics in order to defend a Bronze Age myth?

4 Egyptian Hieroglyphs and Sumerian Before 2250 BC and the Tower of Babel, according to Biblical mythology, the only language on the planet was Adamic. All of the other languages, including Egyptian and Sumerian, were created by the confusion of tongues. Therefore, it is devastating that we have found hundreds of examples of writing that date to a thousand years before the Tower of Babel. Egyptian writings are also powerful evidence against Biblical literalism. The first known Egyptian hieroglyphic inscription was the Narmer Palette which is a collection of writing that dates to 3200 BC. This writing existed 1,000 years before the Tower of Babel when the Egyptian language was supposedly created. The first examples of Sumerian Cuneiform date to 3300 BC. Obviously, two completely different languages existed long before the Tower of Babel "created" them all and neither of them was Adamic.

5 Egyptian Dynastic Records Thanks to a well-developed system of record keeping and well-preserved papyri (which oddly enough, survived the Flood), we know an amazing amount about the Egyptian dynasties of the Old Kingdom. We know the exact years that each pharoah rose to power and then was replaced beginning with the Pharoah Zanakht, who rose to power in 2649. This line continues unbroken until the Pharoah Unas (2356-2323 BC) who obviously survived the "Global Flood" in 2349. This line continues until Nemtyenmzaf (2255-2246 BC) who reigned while God was changing everyone's language. Luckily, God forgot Egypt existed and no major disruptive linguistic change occurred during those few centuries when the Tower of Babel suppposedly happened.

6 Kangaroos, Lemurs, Frogs, and Emus Besides the obvious absurdity that Noah crammed 2 of each of the more than 5,000 mammal species, 10,000 bird species, 1,000,000 insect species, and 9,000 reptile species in a 450 foot long boat, there are other biological problems with the Bible. Leaving aside all the evidence for evolution, we can look at current animal distribution to see that Noah's Ark is bunk. Supposedly, Noah collected 2 of each animal into his boat and rode the Flood out for a year until he disembarked and released all of these animals from one point on Earth (legend says in Turkey). They then reproduced and spread out to where they are now. If this were true, animals would be present wherever they could have migrated since the Flood. Animals go where they can survive. That would mean that there would not be the kind of differences that we see in the world. Why are most Marsupials in Australia? Are we really expected to believe that all the Kangaroos got off the Ark and made a beeline for Australia without leaving one behind on the mainland? Why did all the Lemurs head for Madagascar? Why are the platyrrhines only found in the Western Hemisphere and catarrhines only in the Old World? How did all those animals get to Australia or any other island at all? Frogs cannot survive in salt water, so how did they get to Australia? I could list such problems in animal distribution forever. These questions are all easily answered by evolution, but they really make no sense if we accept Genesis.

7 Oil and Coal Every time a creationist drives he is benefitting from the fact that he is wrong. Petroleum only exists because the Earth is billions of years old. As most know, it is formed when the remains of phytoplankton and zooplankton settle to the bottom of the sea and are compressed and decomposed in anaerobic conditions. There is no other way to make petroleum. Enormous amounts of heat, pressure, and time are require to create petroleum. Only geologic time could do it. The gas in your car is great proof that Christian Fundamentalists are wrong when they said that the Earth was 6,000 years old.

These seven common knowledge evidences will convince any rational, intelligent person that Biblical literalism is absurd. With a little bit of high school history and science, anyone can realize the truth.

Biblical inerrancy is dead. I would love to see the apologists try to resurrect it in face of so much evidence.

PS Many say that it is a fool's errand to convince the fundamentalists with evidence like this. I say that they are wrong. Full disclosure: I grew up in one of the most fundamentalist Mormon houses that you can imagine. I grew up defending Biblical literalism. However, it was this kind of evidence that convinced me to leave it all behind. And I couldn't be happier! That is why I put the information out there for other people like me.

Views: 5696

Comment by John Kelly on December 5, 2011 at 2:27pm

Richard, I apologize, I could have written it more clearly.  Humanity tends to assimilate information which is basically incorporating what one learns into what one already believes so that there is no conflict.  But I believe that with moderate Christians and the "spiritual but not religious", the argument from harmony is just for them and it helps them see the beauty in not "believing in God for the sake of believing".  I also made a typing error.  It should read then harmony is the greatest good. 

It is basically an argument of If the universe has a creator, then order and harmony in the universe is the greatest good.

If that is the case, the greatest evil is disorder and a lack of harmony.

Logic is a means to measure harmony.  Logic measures what is connected.  Harmony is when all things are connected together and working together in their proper places, and it is clear that this occurs in the universe, and must be believed if one believes in a god.   A potential believer who loves harmony as much as God or any creator of the universe apparently would, would not want to take a non-harmonious path to belief in that creator, or as we call it "a logically flawed path to belief in God"  Which brings me back to the first sentence in this paragraph.  Anyone who loves harmony would need to love logic.

The alien argument would only work with a lesser being of a pantheon, rather than a creator of the universe.  Without order there can be no material structure which which something could create a universe or a planet.  Order also equals that which exists.  It is the fundamental principle of the universe.  But the what if's don't matter.  What matters is getting people of all faiths to believe that logical thinking is of the highest moral and spiritual order if there is a spiritual realm.  

But with the ET god, one can acknowledge the possibility, but until there is a good reason to believe in an alien scientist affecting our evolution, it is illogical to jump to the conclusion that he exists.  But if someone believed that, the argument of harmony wouldn't apply to them, because they would be scientific rather than spiritual.  I believe that ideas should only be accepted as the truth though, when there is clear evidence pointing to them being so.  Otherwise too many incorrect ideas get accepted and that creates confusion as to what is real, and what is believed.

Comment by Rob Klaers on January 28, 2012 at 12:29am

Beautiful post.. but it still doesn't explain how the banana was made just to perfectly to fit the human hand.. LMAO 

Comment by Artor on January 28, 2012 at 10:31am

@Rob Klaers

The banana was created by Intelligent Design. That is, several thousand years of cultivation by Maori tribesmen. Good job, I say!

Comment by Helen Pluckrose on January 28, 2012 at 4:47pm

Very interesting! Thank you!

Comment by Brad Snowder on January 28, 2012 at 6:21pm

There is more to the tree ring story. Each ring has a composition which when compared to the rings before and after it, create a characteristic pattern for that time period. It makes a spikey graph that can be found in another tree to see how those two tree's lives overlap. For instance, if a modern tree is 100 years old, and you map the pattern, and then find a tree that was cut down 50 years ago, the last 50 year part of the second tree's pattern will match the first part of the first tree's pattern. By overlapping the patterns of old downed (dead) trees, drendologists have been able to make one spikey graph that extends from today into antiquity. That way, when they find an old random dead tree somewhere, that can tell what year it was born and died. Incidently, the graph also tells us something abut the Sun. But that's another story.

Comment by Barry Eckert on January 29, 2012 at 12:08am

My question is: why do creationists make insane claims about basic laws of physics in order to defend a Bronze Age myth?

Um, because creationists are insane? Just sayin'.

Comment by Barry Eckert on January 29, 2012 at 12:16am

Every time a creationist drives he is benefitting from the fact that he is wrong. Petroleum only exists because the Earth is billions of years old.

Nonsense. God created petroleum and put it there so oil companies could donate to Republicans.

Comment by Michael on January 29, 2012 at 5:25am

Great post. One thing though, there are no mummies in the pyramids. Mummies have never been found inside a pyramid.

Comment by Rob Klaers on January 29, 2012 at 8:14am

@ Micheal.. First, and foremost the Pyramids --whether they were the big one we're all familiar with around Giza or others around the region which weren't nearly as tall-- were in fact burial tombs. That being said let me direct you to this link.. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090114-mummy-egypt-... It speaks of how remains of a mummy were found in a 16ft tall pyramid. 

Comment by Ron V on January 29, 2012 at 8:28am

"Cleaned up" a bit-

Seven Historical Problems with Bible

The Bible has quite a few dates and talks of men who supposedly lived for 900 years. Using the dates and records, Christian apologist Bishop Ussher created chronology that claims that the Earth was created in 4004 BC. Here are seven problems with this dating:

  1. The Pyramids

All of the pyramids were built hundreds of years before the Bible claims a flood wiped out humanity. According to Egyptian records, the Great Pyramid of Khufu in Giza was built around 2550 BC, 200 years before the flood.  And, there is no evidence of water damage or exposure to pyramids or their contents from a “Great Flood.”

  1. Tree Rings

Dendrochronology, the study of tree rings, is an interesting and informative science that can tell us much about history. Every year, each tree creates a new growth ring. The size of this ring depends on the conditions of that year. Scientists can take cores of these trees and count the number of tree rings in order to give the age of the tree. Each year has a distinctive pattern depending on the local conditions. Bristlecone Pines provide a record of tree rings that extends back 11,000 years to 9,000 BC.  This is problematic for the claim the Earth was still "unorganized" at that time.  A tree known as Methuselah has been alive for 4,842 years and counting as shown by its rings- the tree was born in 2831 BC. This tree (and many others) kept living right through the flood that supposedly killed everything in 2350.

3 Radiometric Dating

Radiometric dating measures the amount of an isotope and its predictable decay products. It is based on the fact that radioactive decay occurs at a certain rates. Radiometric dating shows that fossils are much older than a few thousand years old.  These data also show the Earth has been around for ~4.5 billion years. Creationists often claim that "decay rates may have changed" or "I carbon dated my dead cat and the answer was off, so..." But we have used this method with not only carbon-14 but with more than 50 other isotopes to confirm the ages of samples. Each of these 50 isotopes decays at a different rate. Yet, they all agree that the Earth is more than 4.5 billion years old. The half-lives for isotopes range from 70*10-18 seconds for Be-8 to 2.28*1024 years for Te-128. This is a huge range of time. Did the god of Judeo-Christianity speed up all the various isotopes’ half-lives by vastly different factors to fool us into thinking that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old?

4 Egyptian Hieroglyphs and Sumerian Before 2250 BC and the Tower of Babel

According to Biblical mythology, the only language on the planet was Adamic. All of the other languages, including Egyptian and Sumerian, were created by the confusion of tongues. But we have found hundreds of examples of writing that date to a thousand years before the Tower of Babel. Egyptian writings are also powerful evidence against Biblical literalism. The first known Egyptian hieroglyphic inscription was the Narmer Palette which is a collection of writing that dates to 3200 BC. This writing existed 1,000 years before the Tower of Babel. The first examples of Sumerian Cuneiform date to 3300 BC. Obviously, completely different languages existed long before the Tower of Babel.

5 Egyptian Dynastic Records

Thanks to a well-developed system of record keeping and well-preserved papyri (which oddly enough, survived the flood), we know an amazing amount about the Egyptian dynasties of the Old Kingdom. We know the exact years that each pharaoh rose to power and was replaced, beginning with the Pharaoh Zanakht who rose to power in 2649. This line continues unbroken until the Pharoah Unas (2356-2323 BC) who obviously survived the "Global Flood."  This line continues until Nemtyenmzaf (2255-2246 BC) who reigned while God was supposedly chang

Comment

You need to be a member of Think Atheist to add comments!

Join Think Atheist

Forum

East German Shame

Started by Davis Goodman in Law, Trials, and Decisions. Last reply by Davis Goodman 1 minute ago. 14 Replies

The Elephant in the Room...

Started by Belle Rose in Small Talk. Last reply by Kairan Nierde 3 minutes ago. 10 Replies

Why do we tolerate this?

Started by Belle Rose in Crime and Punishment. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck 22 minutes ago. 26 Replies

Ear-piercing a baby

Started by Simon Mathews in Atheist Parenting. Last reply by Unseen 43 minutes ago. 27 Replies

Blog Posts

How did that happen?

Posted by Belle Rose on December 19, 2014 at 4:36am 6 Comments

Pabst Blue Ribbon to the rescue!

Posted by Ed on December 15, 2014 at 9:33pm 0 Comments

Services we love!

We are in love with our Amazon

Book Store!

Gadget Nerd? Check out Giz Gad!

Advertise with ThinkAtheist.com

In need a of a professional web site? Check out the good folks at Clear Space Media

© 2014   Created by umar.

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service