If there is anything that has significantly helped me along my Atheism path, aside from using my brain to formulate ACTUAL ideas and sifting through the bullshit I like to call religion to find the truth, is a documentary called Zeitgeist by Peter Joseph. "It asserts a number of conspiracy theory-based ideas, including the Christ myth theory, alternative theories for the parties responsible for the September 11 attacks in 2001 and that bankers manipulate the international monetary system and the media in order to consolidate power." Check it out if you are looking for answers that smart people have asked for years. Zeitgeist: The Movie

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Comment by Ashley C on October 5, 2011 at 1:27pm
Haha, well now I just feel stupid you guys!
Comment by Ashley C on October 5, 2011 at 1:33pm

BUT thank you for sharing this with me. I've been an atheist now for about a year and am still (obviously) trying to open my mind to new things, Zeitgeist being one of them. And yes, there is a certain appeal to Zeitgeist, but I am always working hard everyday to "sift through the bullshit", whether religion or not, in search of the truth. Thank you again everyone for your comments!

Comment by Alex albisa on October 5, 2011 at 5:52pm

Hey if you really dig documentaries go to this website http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ it has every documentary ever made for free online , really great ones for the Atheist in you also.

Comment by Tina Springer on October 5, 2011 at 7:18pm

Hey Nathan, I would like to say that whom ever made that website you listed did not do a good job researching. 

"Horus was not born on December 25th, he was born on the 5th day of the "Epagomenal Days"

this is incorrect as it refers to Horus the Elder, the brother of Osiris and Isis.

Osiris:
death and afterlife of a god By Dr. Bojana Mojsov Page 13

"The symbol of the savior child was the was the eye of the sun newly born on the
winter solstice."

She also states:

"From their mysterious, passionate union the child Horus was born on the winter
solstice."

Dr.Bohana Mojsov is an archaeologist, historian and writer

"His mother was also not a virgin. Horus's father was Osiris, who was killed by his brother Seth. Isis used a spell to bring him back to life for a short time so they could have sex, in which they conceived Horus."

This too is incorrect.  First of all, Isis and Osiris were brother and sister, second of all, Osiris was dead when he supposedly impregnated Isis, thirdly, Horus is standing there watching as his parent's are supposedly concieving him, thus how he is the begotten son of Osiris, and on top of that, Isis was in her Sothis 'astral form'.

The origins of Osiris and his cult By John Gwyn Griffiths

Page 13

"It is therefore likely that Horus-sopd as the offspring of Osiris-Orion and
Isis-Sothis is an astral concept in the first place and the Osirian complexion
of the idea is secondary, although, as we shall see, the bond between Osiris
and Orion was important in one other respect."

Page 129


When the Heliopolitan priesthood made Isis the mother of Horus the child, they were
perhaps consciously varying the early tradition of Hathor being the mother of
Horus but it is clear that the creation of the young Horus arises
mythologically from the position resulting rom the identification of Osiris and
the King. 


"An astral connexion of Osiris and Isis seems to explain an episode concernting the
birth of a form of Horus.  Spell 366 of
the Pyramid texts describes the birth of Horus Sopd to Isis in her form of
Sothis....continued. The last sentence is not particlurly Osirian but later
(628a) it is said that there come to the thy two sisters Isis and Nephthys;
they make the better.  It seems likely
that the concluding part of the spell refers to Osiris, who is described as
begetting Horus-Sopd from Isis-Sothis..."

John
Gwyn Griffiths 

 

*Dictionary of deities and demons in the Bible DDD By K. van der Toorn, Bob Becking, Pieter
Willem van der Horst#65279; Page 891

"In Egypt the epithets 'dd.t, rnn.t and hwn.t, 'girl; young woman; virgin', are
applied to many goddesses — eg-* Hathor and ;Isis —
who had not yet had sexual intercourse."

I could go through and list the various errors but those are just a few that I can spot right off.  This is not really conspiracy theory material, it has been taught in comparative religion at universities for years.  Ever hear of the Hero's Journey?  Joseph Campbell covered a lot of this.  This just comes off as a huge suprise to Christians because they have not been taught this so they think it is a conspiracy theory by Satan and his minions. lol 

Comment by ernie garcia on October 5, 2011 at 8:16pm

yeah, the christian part of that movie has been deconstructed by several skeptics in the community.  tim callahan did so in skeptic magazine.

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25/

 

ultimately, you can learn more about the jesus story through theologians who objectively present information.  robert m price is a good example.

Comment by Tina Springer on October 5, 2011 at 11:02pm

Ernie, maybe you aren't aware of this but Robert Price actually agree's with Zeitgeist, he is even on the freethought nation website backing up Acharya S. who put most of the information into the video.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOrc_kwcU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQGLoXntHc&feature=related

 

These skeptic websites really need to start doing research and use scholarls instead of Christian apologetics.

 

 

 

Comment by ernie garcia on October 6, 2011 at 1:04am
@tina: i'd be curious to hear just how much of that movie he agrees with. do you think that he supports that entire movie as fact?

i'm not sure what you mean by christian apologetics versus scholars unless you mean to imply that all theologians are believers in the skybully. price has many books on theology, but he has identified himself as a nonbeliever.
Comment by Tina Springer on October 6, 2011 at 2:24am

Nelson, according to Robert Price's website, he backs Acharya S. 

Yes, she published it herself. So did Hume. Nuff said.

 

"Some may think to accuse Ms. Murdock of committing the fallacious appeal to authority because she peppers her text with information ascribed to various scholars and includes
their professional titles or academic posts. But she is not thereby trying to
lend a weight to her thesis which it would not possess on its own. Rather, she
is trying to help us place the specialists whose work she is discussing. I am no
Egyptologist, so it helps me to know who I am “listening to” here and that it is
never just some convenient crank."

http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/murdock_christ_egypt...

 

 

Comment by Tina Springer on October 6, 2011 at 2:34am

Price goes on to say:

"Besides random
judgment calls re this or that proposed parallel or conclusion, my only
continuing disagreement with the Acharya is on her model whereby a committee of
creators sat down to formulate the Christian religion. Such a scenario is by no
means impossible, but it seems unnecessary to me. I prefer the old Romantic idea
of Hölderlin and the early form-critics of an anonymous and nebulous “creative
community.” It is hard to track down rumors, myths, or ascendant religious
symbols to specific names. But this difference hardly matters. We are in
agreement on the thoroughly syncretic character of primitive Christianity,
evolving from earlier mythemes and rituals, especially those of Egypt. It is
almost as important in Christ in Egypt to argue for an astro-religious
origin for the mythemes, and there, too, I agree with the learned author. Let me
outline the main argument that persuades me, some of it learned here, some
already assimilated and facilitating my acceptance of much that Acharya
offers."  and "I find myself
in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock: “we assert that Christianity
constitutes Gnosticism historicized and Judaized, likewise representing a
synthesis of Egyptian, Jewish and Greek religion and mythology, among others
[including Buddhism, via King Asoka’s missionaries] from around the ‘known
world’” (p. 278). “Christianity is largely the product of Egyptian religion
being Judaized and historicized’ (p. 482)."

  http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/murdock_christ_egypt...   So from that conclusion, it doesn't look to me as if he thinks she is some silly nilly girly that doesn't know what she is talking about.  I am not sure where you got that quote of him Nelson,but  I got this quote right from his website. 

 

 

No Ernie, I was specifically referring to the religious part of  the first video.   

Comment by Horus Christ on October 6, 2011 at 8:46am

Hey Ashely C :) Im glad to see more that more and more people are waking up to the dubious origins of christianity and it's pre-christian roots. Zeitgeist was more correct about christianity than even Peter Joseph realized. I've just started a thread showing the evidence that ties jesus to horus... I hope you and others find it very helpful and use this information whenever discussion arises with those who unfortunatley are not in-the-know. See you all on my thread: http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/horus-is-christ-undeniable...

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