Comment by Sophie on October 5, 2011 at 12:12pm

I think you guys need to calm down.

 

Even if the data provided is off who cares? I know it got me asking more questions and really I think thats all that matters. 

Comment by Nelson on October 5, 2011 at 12:21pm

@Sophie: That'd be great if people actually did the "this movie has prompted some questions for me" and not the "this movie's claims are true". But the sheer number of people that uncritically go around going OMGZ! ZEITGEIST TEH MOOVEE! show that the movie is a problem more than it's a help.

Comment by Nathan Hevenstone on October 5, 2011 at 12:43pm

@Sophie The vast majority of people who see Zeitgeist accept the claims of this movie uncritically.

 

It's not just that the data is off. The entire thing is off! The claims are off, the "sources" are off... there's very little, if anything, about this movie (all three of them, actually) that's on.

 

If you want a movie that will make you ask questions and give you some fodder for your atheism, here are two choices:

 

The God that Wasn't There

Religulous

 

You can do better than Zeitgeist. That's the point.

Comment by Ashley C on October 5, 2011 at 1:27pm

Haha, well now I just feel stupid you guys!

Comment by Nelson on October 5, 2011 at 1:30pm

Please don't! There's nothing stupid about it. Show me someone that says they've never believed in anything that wasn't true (or at least that we shouldn't be quite so sure of being true because the evidence isn't there), and I'll show you a liar. ;)

Just gotta make sure you go beyond the presentation to check sources and verify the claims being made. Be a skeptic and a critical thinker, not just an atheist. Be especially suspicious about claims that you WANT to be true, Jesus as myth being one of those certainly since it makes the question of Jesus so nice and tidy.

Comment by Ashley C on October 5, 2011 at 1:33pm

BUT thank you for sharing this with me. I've been an atheist now for about a year and am still (obviously) trying to open my mind to new things, Zeitgeist being one of them. And yes, there is a certain appeal to Zeitgeist, but I am always working hard everyday to "sift through the bullshit", whether religion or not, in search of the truth. Thank you again everyone for your comments!

Comment by Nelson on October 5, 2011 at 1:36pm

The important thing is that you've gotten this far! And we're glad you have! :)

Comment by Alex albisa on October 5, 2011 at 5:52pm

Hey if you really dig documentaries go to this website http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ it has every documentary ever made for free online , really great ones for the Atheist in you also.

Comment by Tina Springer on October 5, 2011 at 7:18pm

Hey Nathan, I would like to say that whom ever made that website you listed did not do a good job researching. 

"Horus was not born on December 25th, he was born on the 5th day of the "Epagomenal Days"

this is incorrect as it refers to Horus the Elder, the brother of Osiris and Isis.

Osiris:
death and afterlife of a god By Dr. Bojana Mojsov Page 13

"The symbol of the savior child was the was the eye of the sun newly born on the
winter solstice."

She also states:

"From their mysterious, passionate union the child Horus was born on the winter
solstice."

Dr.Bohana Mojsov is an archaeologist, historian and writer

"His mother was also not a virgin. Horus's father was Osiris, who was killed by his brother Seth. Isis used a spell to bring him back to life for a short time so they could have sex, in which they conceived Horus."

This too is incorrect.  First of all, Isis and Osiris were brother and sister, second of all, Osiris was dead when he supposedly impregnated Isis, thirdly, Horus is standing there watching as his parent's are supposedly concieving him, thus how he is the begotten son of Osiris, and on top of that, Isis was in her Sothis 'astral form'.

The origins of Osiris and his cult By John Gwyn Griffiths

Page 13

"It is therefore likely that Horus-sopd as the offspring of Osiris-Orion and
Isis-Sothis is an astral concept in the first place and the Osirian complexion
of the idea is secondary, although, as we shall see, the bond between Osiris
and Orion was important in one other respect."

Page 129

When the Heliopolitan priesthood made Isis the mother of Horus the child, they were
perhaps consciously varying the early tradition of Hathor being the mother of
Horus but it is clear that the creation of the young Horus arises
mythologically from the position resulting rom the identification of Osiris and
the King. 

"An astral connexion of Osiris and Isis seems to explain an episode concernting the
birth of a form of Horus.  Spell 366 of
the Pyramid texts describes the birth of Horus Sopd to Isis in her form of
Sothis....continued. The last sentence is not particlurly Osirian but later
(628a) it is said that there come to the thy two sisters Isis and Nephthys;
they make the better.  It seems likely
that the concluding part of the spell refers to Osiris, who is described as
begetting Horus-Sopd from Isis-Sothis..."

John
Gwyn Griffiths 

 

*Dictionary of deities and demons in the Bible DDD By K. van der Toorn, Bob Becking, Pieter
Willem van der Horst#65279; Page 891

"In Egypt the epithets 'dd.t, rnn.t and hwn.t, 'girl; young woman; virgin', are
applied to many goddesses — eg-* Hathor and ;Isis —
who had not yet had sexual intercourse."

I could go through and list the various errors but those are just a few that I can spot right off.  This is not really conspiracy theory material, it has been taught in comparative religion at universities for years.  Ever hear of the Hero's Journey?  Joseph Campbell covered a lot of this.  This just comes off as a huge suprise to Christians because they have not been taught this so they think it is a conspiracy theory by Satan and his minions. lol 

Comment by ernie garcia on October 5, 2011 at 8:16pm

yeah, the christian part of that movie has been deconstructed by several skeptics in the community.  tim callahan did so in skeptic magazine.

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25/

 

ultimately, you can learn more about the jesus story through theologians who objectively present information.  robert m price is a good example.

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