Edit the Pledge of Allegiance to Remove "Under God"

Something that is important to all of us, a new petition is being circulated that is asking that the Pledge of Allegiance to remove the words "under god". Please plus one, tweet and circulate the link to as many people as you can. This is important.


Here's the wording of the petition:


We petition the obama administration to:

Edit the Pledge of Allegiance to remove the phrase "Under God".

The Pledge of Allegiance is said every day in schools across America. It is a government sanctioned speech, and should remain neutral in matters of religion. In its current state, it supports the existence of God, which goes against several religions, and supports others. This bias should not be supported by the country according to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Created: Sep 22, 2011
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Comment by Stephen Macken on September 23, 2011 at 11:08am

It's interesting that the 'under God' portion was only added in 1954. Ask any average American when the words were added and I'm sure the response will be, 'Huh? Ain't it always been so?"


I think the petition will meet incredible resistance right across the political divide due to the fact that an election is looming and regardless of what liberals might say, they depend on a middle ground appearance to maximise their vote amongst liberal theists.


Perhaps a campaign to raise the necessary funds to initiate a Supreme court challenge to the constitutionality of the change would yield better and more robust results.

Comment by Morgan Matthew on September 23, 2011 at 12:59pm


Comment by Stephen Macken on September 23, 2011 at 1:17pm

@Joseph, and that's probably how it'll be perceived by most...


The lunatic fringe will get all indignant and use this as an example of how America is going to hell, the middle ground will react like you Joseph and the rest will demand that christmas be cancelled due to the non-existence of either of the principle protagonists...

Comment by Robert Karp on September 23, 2011 at 1:29pm

Not necessarily.  We on the "lunatic fringe" believe that we are a secular country and should move in that direction which means keeping god out of government. In god we trust, under god, etc...are deeply imbedded in our currency, our capitals, and our schools. We just want to pledge to be read as it was written. I don't think that is fringe thinking. And to my knowledge we are not asking christmas to be cancelled.

Comment by Stephen Macken on September 23, 2011 at 1:49pm

Sorry, Robert, you seem to have lumped yourself in with the lunatic fringe by accident. The lunatic fringe for me are the religious fundamentalists that are dead set on replacing modern science and knowledge with medieval myth and ignorance. I doubt very much you align yourself with their goals.


The point really is that the vast majority are atheists and theists who, through inertia, indifference or otherwise, just couldn't be bothered to take a stand either way and just want to get on with life and leave the fighting to the extremes on both sides... hence the reference to the cancelation of christmas as an extreme from the secular side.


But as in everything in life, nothing is black and white and there are many shades of grey in between. Personally, I choose my battles, for example, woe betide anyone who tries to teach my children creationism as science in school.

Comment by Robert Karp on September 23, 2011 at 1:58pm

My bad Stephen! Although I don't know if the majority of atheists are indifferent. I guess choosing your battles is the way to go.

Comment by Steven Supinski on September 23, 2011 at 4:42pm

Personally, I think the pledge is totally backwards.  We shouldn't feel any need whatsoever to pledge allegiance to any government; Rather, it is the government that needs to pledge allegiance to all of us.  Every government employee should have to recite that pledge daily.  And since none of us, well not many of us, purport to be gods the issue would be resolved, permanently.

Comment by Kenneth Low on September 23, 2011 at 7:07pm

     I agree we should get God out of government but let's be real: what difference does it really make about what's written on a dollar bill. The important thing is that it's worth something.

     Getting real means taking on what matters. What on earth is meant in saying a modern state of Israel has a right to exist? Israel is a term from the Old Testament. Everything that was Israel ended a long, long time ago.

     More importantly, modern Israel isn't a sovereign state, which requires first establishing functional independence. Modern Israel is an artificial construct, a product of foreign policy, which should be in the domain of public discussion.

     Even more important is the fact that reasons for supporting it are naive, meaning that they aren't defined and developed. In their place is a vaguely stated emotionality, a feeling that Israel should exist and just never mind why. Failing to open frank discussion on  this will have disastrous consequences.

Comment by Stephen Macken on September 23, 2011 at 7:14pm

I think Israel's right to exist or not is not a good debate to get involved in. What right does the United States of America have to exist? There were indigenous peoples there before the arrival of the old world. What right does Australia have to exist? Or Canada? Or any country?


The right to exist of every nation on earth is expressed by the will of the most powerful group who support that nation's right to exist, no more, no less.

Comment by Meghan McWilliams on September 23, 2011 at 8:22pm



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