Debating (absolute) morality in Britain. Your thoughts?

The other day I wrote a post for a relatively new blog/magazine called hackeryblog, here in the UK. (http://hackeryblog.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/should-religion-inform-...) I'd be very interested in getting the ThinkAtheist community's feedback on it, and on the response offered by another hackeryblog author (http://hackeryblog.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/right-of-reply-we-need-...).

 

My main point was this:

 

The British public has dismissed God’s judgment in [the areas of homosexuality and slavery] and should continue to do so in all others; if we know better than Him about homosexuality and slavery, why should we not? Morality has been, is and must be the product of rational discussion: an authority with which–or whom–one cannot argue is tyrannical.

 

I have already commented on the responder's post (I felt that it misconstrued my argument). What do you think?

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Tags: christianity, morality

Comment by Robert Karp on September 21, 2011 at 10:18am

His assumption that "atheistic assumptions of superior morality are false" is an inaccurate statement.  We do not claim moral superiority. We claim that our concepts of morality are gained without the "guidance" of a someone who you must both fear and love. His post also suggests that if Christianity was vacated in England Islamic law, not secularism, would take it's place. This is a tactic of fear mongering by christian apologists. You don't like our system, just wait until you live under sharia.


So I agree with you that he misconstrued your article as is typical. It is not an us versus them versus them mentality we are employing. We are not claiming to be anything other than we are which is a movement based on reason and free thought for the betterment of humanity as a whole. Religion, christianity, muslim or otherwise has a goal of surviving for the sake of the religion, not surviving for the sake of bettering the human race.

Comment by Simon Paynton on September 21, 2011 at 5:53pm

Surely, ideally, the Christian God is a God of love, and Christians try and decide what He would what them to do, when making decisions. 

So I think it can have a lot of value to use God's assumed wishes as a guideline in morality. 

Comment by Simon Paynton on September 21, 2011 at 5:56pm

Jesus especially is a figure of love whose point of view people successfully use to come to good conclusions

Comment by Jon on September 21, 2011 at 6:10pm

Dearest Simon,

 

Please read the blog posts in question.

Comment by Simon Paynton on September 22, 2011 at 4:13am

I know, Frank Skinner is an intolerant fool.  I was referring to this quote from Richard Dawkins:

 

"I don’t think I want an absolute morality; I think I want a morality that is thought-out, reasoned, argued, discussed, and based upon… you could almost say, intelligent design."

 

We can use "love" as an absolute morality - Christians and atheists alike.  What promotes life is good, what harms life is bad. 

Comment by Simon Paynton on September 22, 2011 at 4:15am

My own absolute morality is based on "anything is allowed as long as it harms no-one else".  This is an absolute rule. 

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