Woe is me; I'm a persecuted American Christian.

I had to go to church this morning because I'd agreed to assist with the music while the choir was off for the week. I grew up in this Episcopal church and it used to be a nice atmosphere to spend a Sunday morning in, even for an atheist. But the current priest is an idiot that nobody likes. There's a long story there, but for now, suffice it to say that his sermons are always terrible. He was absent today, but he wrote a sermon and had someone else stand and read it. It didn't have a coherent point; first it was on about Jesus sending out the 70 followers with absolutely nothing, not even a bag of supplies, to do deeds in his name.


His point about this was that God sent those 70 people out to do his work empty-handed because he wanted them to know that whatever good they did had absolutely nothing to do with their own efforts; it was all about God doing the good things by using them as pawns. How could anyone view a being so unabashedly arrogant as being worthy of worship?*  I hate this attitude so much, and it was annoying to have to sit there and listen to it without arguing. Anything good can't possibly have been our own doing, and anything bad that we do is our fault for being weak and succumbing to temptation. Horrible attitude to have, and horrible attitude to teach your children. Sets people up for badness later in life.I know firsthand; that shit was what opened me up to the brainwashing I received in high school.


Then, somehow the first amendment was thrown in there, and he was going on about how it was there to protect freedom of religion, but that America had erased religion from the public eye and told Christians it should be private, and shouldn't have any place in public affairs, and that it is because of this that we have religious extremists because the moderate majority is silent and confused about the role their faith should play in their daily life, and blah blah Christians are so persecuted. I swear, it was like I was sitting in a goddamned Baptist church, not an Episcopal one. He, like so many other misguided Christians in this area, conflated "keep government-run affairs secular" with "you have to shut up about your religion at all times."


Why do these people forcibly miss the point? He went so far as to equate those of us who value secular approaches to state affairs to the intolerant religious extremists who keep trying to push their beliefs on everyone else. Why is it so fucking hard to understand that secularists are PROTECTING their right to worship their own way by keeping religion in church where it belongs? If we let the religious moderates inject their faith into public/political affairs, then at least it's not an extremist version of Christianity, but it's still exactly the same principle as if those extremists were to take over and do the same thing.


I almost clawed my atheist husband's hand off during that hateful tirade. It was either that or cause a disruption among people I love and respect, and I didn't want to do that...




*If we were supposed to be made in his image, why are we held to a different standard of morality than he is? YHWH displays very human thought processes (obviously that's because he was invented by humans, but let's take it as hypothetically true for the sake of this point), and he's allowed to indulge in those while we're supposed to resist and be sinless, because he "hates" the "sins" we commit, even though they're due to exactly the same thought process he has? I can understand loving an imperfect being, because we do that with our fellow humans all the time. We overlook their flaws and forgive them their transgressions. But to worship an imperfect being, and to delude ourselves into believing that this being is actually perfect, which he demonstrates by having the same human impulses that he condemns as sinful in us? No fucking way. The only way someone could worship a being like that is by either being brainwashed into believing he's not a tyrant, or by being made afraid.

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Comment by William C. Walker on July 3, 2011 at 4:03pm
As a boy when I complained about something my mom would say :  Don't play with THOSE kids.      :-)   It's tough for an Atheist to sit through any religious 'dis-service'.  I've been down to only weddings & funerals for many years.  In recent years, it's funerals only, come to think of it.
Comment by Sharon Slaten on July 3, 2011 at 4:41pm
I seriously can't imagine having to sit though a sermon. The hypocrisy alone would drive me mad.
Comment by Dustin on July 3, 2011 at 5:17pm
I almost wanted to say something when I had to sit through a sermon of my Pastor talking about how Christians are 'persecuted' because Atheists are putting up Billboards and Atheists are trying to fight separation of Church and State ... I literally got sick in my stomach hearing such nonsensical bullshit from this guy. It's a Lutheran Church.

I was the pianist and I get paid well so it's best to keep my mouth closed. But to actually use the word persecution in relation to Atheists freedom of expression when Christians ALL AROUND THE F'ING COUNTRY put up hate filled signs ... THEY'RE the ones screaming persecution.

Ugh , It makes me mad.
Comment by Melissa M. on July 3, 2011 at 6:40pm

Xians, I think, are so used to having special attention given to them that when they are treated equally they then scream, "Persecution!". For example, they think they are their god's "chosen"  people, right?  And hasn't the US government treated them special as well (can we all say ceremonial deism?)? They also believe that since they are in the majority, that they're being persecuted for not living in a "majority rules" kind of country.  That's the way they believe our system should be. 


In general, they've been given special protections (states with laws forbidding disruptions of church services?!) for far too long and now they don't like being treated equally. 


At least that's how I see it.


Comment by Dustin on July 3, 2011 at 6:53pm
Doesn't it say 'Give unto Caesars what is Caesars' ?  That implies Jesus wants Christians to follow the laws and rules of the government they live under.   They don't even follow their own basic principles ...
Comment by wisp on July 3, 2011 at 9:40pm
Dustin: I was just saying that exact thing on another post a few days ago. If I'd had the opportunity to discuss his sermon with him, I would've brought it up. Damn Christians can't even learn their own Bible.
Comment by Dustin on July 4, 2011 at 12:14am
LOL , it's because it's all about a 'personal relationship' with JC , you don't HAVE to read the bible :D
Comment by Vikki Garland on July 4, 2011 at 12:32am
I used to be able to go back to church to see the friends I grew up with. Eventually my friends' parents told them that I was going to break down their faith and eternity is a big deal.. soo... lets say I haven't gone back. It hurts when you're accused of something like that. I would never force my beliefs or lack of belief on anyone unless they seriously asked me questions about it.
Comment by William C. Walker on July 4, 2011 at 12:51am
They must have a very weak faith or a fierce fear of that non-existent hell.
Comment by Vikki Garland on July 4, 2011 at 1:07am
Its sad, but true.


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