Zeitgeist: The Movie - Fact or Fiction. You decide.

For those who have not yet had a chance to view this film. I recommend it. It is truly life changing. I'd also recommend keeping a tablet and pencil handy to take notes if you have questions or doubts so that you can do some googlefu afterwards if you wish. The contents are very controversial and will challenge the majority of things you hold to be true.


Zeitgeist: The Movie - 2007 by Peter Joseph from ZeitgeistMovie.com on Vimeo.

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Comment by Heather Spoonheim on May 21, 2011 at 11:29am
Actually, at the time I watched the first of this series I actually had a great number of suspicions about 9/11.  By the end of the movie I realized just how wild I had let my thoughts become.  I did a lot more looking into it, including reading through a lot of information that I had veered away from (because it eased a lot of suspicions), and came out realizing that the 'official account' does a lot better job of explaining the events of that day than any other model I've encountered.  The 'official account' still leaves a bit to be desired, but at least I now feel I have a much better grasp of what happened that day than I did before I saw my beliefs sensationalized in a way that revealed how shameful they had become.
Comment by Geektheist (Rocky Oliver) on May 21, 2011 at 11:34am



When in doubt, I turn to Occam's Razor; as explained by Sir Isaac Newton:

We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances.

Or, the more commonly used version today:

Of two equivalent theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simpler one is to be preferred. (paraphrased)

Being a skeptic, I can't help but view things through the lens of critical analysis - and conspiracy theories are almost always based more on paranoid fantasy than actual reality. Therefore, I must call "bullshit" on this fun, but ultimately fictional hypotheses - or at least on everything but the part about the history of Christianity, and its "borrowing" of many elements from gnostic and pagan religions.

Rather than dissect and rehash the entire movie, I'll simply leave you with some critical reviews that are ultimately more thorough and eloquent than any treatment I would give regarding this movie.

Overall, this movie may be of some entertainment value - if you have nothing to do for 2 hours, and you like thinking of all the ways conspiracies are bunk; otherwise don't waste your time.


--Rocky (aka LotusGeek)

Comment by Kai on May 21, 2011 at 12:11pm
I have had more ridiculous conversations with people as a result of this film than I have ever had about religion or belief with theists.
Comment by Atwas911 on May 21, 2011 at 12:48pm

I've read all of the links you've posted, and just like with my own research, I've not found a single example of anything in the movie that anyone has specifically claimed to be provably false.


Its always.. "Things taken out of context" but no example of what was taken out of context, or what they were even arguing was false.


One cannot deny that the most profitable invention of humanity is the means to manipulate and control society. Why else to you think religion has been around for as long as it has? Why do you think that Governments always brand themselves with religion? Do you really feel that there are THAT many religious political leaders? Or is it more likely that they just say those things in order to manipulate the votes? Honestly?


Everyone is entitled to their personal view of it.. But it must remain that.. A personal view. Unless of course you can give examples of things you believe to be false that can be researched and proven to be false.


Dismissing something simply as a conspiracy theory and therefore it has to be false without any additional research required is appalling. It's exactly the same thing as being told Jesus is lord. Well of course he is.. People and their wild conspiracies not believing in god, thinking he was invented by man for control..


So I ask again.. Was your review based upon actual identifiable claimed facts that you've known to be false, or simply your personal view on how you feel that subject matter such as this should be reviewed upon based upon it's genre?


And if thats the case.. How did you ever become an atheist? The whole no God conspiracy theory is kinda like the motherload of them all & a prime example of how a theory so wild and dangerous that people would actually burn other people alive for it.. can turn out to be the truth.. ;)



Comment by Atwas911 on May 21, 2011 at 1:41pm

"I have had more ridiculous conversations with people as a result of this film than I have ever had about religion or belief with theists."


Once again, if your going to make a statement, make one that accompanied by an argument of facts.

This is true.. or this is false.. What were the topics of these arguments? What are the sources for you to believe your side?

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on May 21, 2011 at 9:31pm
Seriously, it's up to you to do your own research - I'm not watching a two hour movie so I can hunt down a bunch of information for you.  You won't likely accept most of what I have to offer anyway and will just keep jumping around from anomaly to anomaly to avoid facing the fact that one of them is becoming less anomalous.  I've 'believed' in the full fledged government conspiracy of it, mostly because the official explanation fails to in a couple areas.  When you really look at the full fledged government conspiracy, though, it fails all over the place.
Comment by Atwas911 on May 21, 2011 at 10:23pm

How presumptuous to assume what i would or would not do. I have no emotional ties to the data what so ever. Nor would i reject any negative evidence towards it just for the sake on continuing my personal belief. Nor do I expect you to watch it again give me a play by play..


But, by your own admission of having previously viewed the documentary, and your statement of thus rejecting it based upon your own research, surely you could give just a few examples of what you've found to be false?

Comment by gabethedallasfan5 on May 21, 2011 at 10:38pm





There's that, although the stuff about the missed warnings is completely true.


Now to watch the rest of the movie.



Comment by Heather Spoonheim on May 21, 2011 at 10:41pm

The very idea that Dubya could be elected and then proceed to put into play a conspiracy for a false flag of that magnitude - I don't need to find that false, it is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence.  If you want to jump onto the Neo-Cons as a source for that conspiracy then you at least need to understand who they are, who Leo Strauss is, and how the Neo-Con strategy played out through the Regan administration - they are ultra-patriotic, although under that level of patriotism they do feel they can lie to other Americans if it brings about greater social cohesion.  So once again, blaming them becomes an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.


If one turns to the military industrial complex as the root of 9/11, then one must ask why that institution wasn't prepared to offer the intelligence data (false or otherwise) to provide the pretext for the afghanistan/iraq invasions - we know that the Dubya whitehouse pushed for that intelligence even though it wasn't being offered by default.  This leaves you without a motive for the military/industrial complex.


I'm not even sure who zeitgeist pointed a finger at for the leader of their great alleged government conspiracy, it just seemed to wave all around like a defective compass, as I remember.  That is just the sort of thing that caters to religious thinking by activating a hyperactive agency detection system - like the adrenalin one feels watching a game show.


So perhaps you could tell me who you think lead the 9/11 conspiracy?  Please don't give me some vague 'the government' or 'illuminati' claim without telling me who specifically.

Comment by gabethedallasfan5 on May 21, 2011 at 10:42pm

Oh, and I also found that there are still hijackers that are alive.

i think what Heather said in the first comment sums it up correctly. Yes, there are issues, but it's the most reliable report we have.


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