Comment by Rodrica Davis on May 2, 2011 at 12:43pm

Truth be told, I really have no emotional reaction to this except relief. I am not happy, sad, or angry. I am relieved  that Bin laden cannot plot to kill anyone else but that goal would have been met with him in military custody or locked away forever. But for those who do feel that this is a momentous occasion, I don't begrudge them.

Comment by Ryan E. Hoffman on May 2, 2011 at 12:48pm

That is a very interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing. I suppose I feel a lot of the same way, mixed with some of what Janet felt about the posterboy effect.

Comment by Sassan K. on May 2, 2011 at 2:48pm

Kasu, that concept makes the world safer. The next time, a wanna-be terrorist may be think twice before becoming a full-fledged terrorist in the way that Osama Bin Laden was. In addition, he killed 3000 Americans and was involved in other terrorist attacks. I am happy he is gone from this world as he was a grave danger for all free people.

Comment by Mads Kapstad on May 2, 2011 at 4:13pm

@ Ryan, yes I know my views seems extreme, but he is indeed not the victim here, I just hate it when people glorify someones death even though that person is evil. By glorifying and celebrating his death, we become the monsters we so happily destroyed. I seek to understand the whole man and not the devil he has become known as. I do not agree with anything Bin Laden did. And @Sassan; yes I do know how Islam works, and like all religions is has it's good an bad sides, and I try to look into why Bin Laden did the things he did, and I will not celebrate his death, violence only breeds more violence, and I feel sorry for the world if anyone ever things violence is going to solve our worlds problems.

Comment by Sophie on May 2, 2011 at 4:54pm

Ah I love reading atheist discussions like these.

Comment by Ryan E. Hoffman on May 2, 2011 at 11:28pm

 @Mads I agree to a point with your sentiments on gloating and celebrating bin Laden's death, although I must confess i allowed a small fist pump and a "YES!" when I heard the news this morning. But the difference between that and running out into the street with an American flag without a shirt on is significant enough. I would disagree though that celebrating his death makes us monsters. This was a man who declared war on civilians, and was celebrated by his fellow "monsters" for doing so. Should civilians not be happy that he is dead? I think that attempting to understand is a noble pursuit, but identifying with him may lead some to believe that you are advocating his actions, which I now know is not the case. I bear little love towards my fellow countrymen and my own government. I understand his hatred as well as I can having grown up in a life of privilege here (which is very little I admit), but understanding on any level is not condoning his world philosophy. When you seek understanding of the whole man, take into account his views on anyone different than himself. The majority of his victims were fellow Muslims. He was a cancer: a once possibly healthy life mutated into something hellbent on destruction.

I don't think we should be celebrating. I also don't think it's wrong to celebrate. I just find it to be poor taste, and makes us more pliable to manipulation.

Comment by Sassan K. on May 3, 2011 at 8:58am

Thx for responding y'all. Giving credence to any 9/11 conspiracies and the such only feeds to those idiots by making it seem their side has "legitimate points of discussion" when their "views" are based on zero evidence. For this and other reasons, I simply refuse to no longer debate or discuss their ridiculous notions any longer. There is no point to it because they live their lives on conspiracy, fantasy, and zero evidence. In fact, most of them seem to have personality disorders that fit right into their deluded mentalities!

Comment by Ryan E. Hoffman on May 3, 2011 at 3:12pm

Bin Laden accepted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks in 2001, immediately after they happened. 

 

He funded the attack. He did not plan it.

 

The US security services have verified that he is to blame. He has admitted it many times over in his videos, given details as to how he set it up, and has taunted that Americans would be too weak to see it through based off of Somalia and other interventions. 

 

As to your statements:

1) okay

2) Insufficient evidence to you. Yes, the government keeps things from you. I'm bitter about it too. 

3) Set up as a "boogie man"? What does that even mean? Yes, they used terror to frighten people into voting against their interests. That's famous fear politics. Are you saying that he's just some ordinary guy that got framed? He's a terrorist funder, an icon for those who wish to kill civilians who do not subscribe to their way of life? Is this the, "he's a bad guy, but..." argument? Give me a break.

 

My question to you is this: if not bin Laden, then who? 

Comment by Sassan K. on May 3, 2011 at 6:13pm

Again, no reason to talk to these idiots who don't even accept the facts of 9/11. They are delusional individuals with personality disorders. I refuse to acknowledge or debate them any longer as I have for too long in the past and it is nonsensical and leads us to no where as they are debating facts that cannot be debated intellectually or rationally as they are not questions up to debate.

Comment by Craig Nomazlab on May 3, 2011 at 6:43pm

Sassan, are you deleting my comments? Multiple times I have tried to respond to this, pointing out the flaws in your way of dealing with those who disagree with you, and ever time I check back and my comment is completely gone. I find this ridiculous.

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