***UPDATE***
Since I wrote this, my opinions on the subject have changed a bit. Enough that I would not have made this post if I could go back. I'll leave it here b/c it will remind me and other's that I am not above being wrong and/or changing my mind based on new information.
***UPDATE***


The more I read of this bill, the more I get pissed off. There are a LOT of good things in there. A LOT. The problem is that we can't afford it. We don't need all of this extra stuff in there right now. Lets fix the damn economy and THEN go and boost up all of these other things.

I feel that the pork included will wash it out. I'm glad they set so much money aside for the sciences and technology... that at least made me happy.

It's not short, so here are the links:

Division A - 31.9 MB

Division B - 876 kb

Statment Div A - 13.9 MB

Statement Div B - 32.4 MB

Now, lets go over this (with the help of the internet, of course.)

Keep in mind while you are reading through this. Some of this stuff is a good idea to have. But, we are in an economic break down! We only need the necessities right now! Not nonsense like $100 million in grants for National School Lunch Program equipment assistance... How is that a necessity? If it's not f#@*&! broken right now, DON"T SPEND MILLIONS TO FIX IT!!!! WE DON"T HAVE THE MONEY RIGHT NOW!! I know I'm just repeating myself now... I'm just irritated.
Mr. Gov., please stop pissing on me and just do your job.... please?

I would like to see exactly how they spend this: $650 million for community-based prevention and wellness strategies
I bet not even a quarter of that money goes to whatever the heck that is.

Oh, and this is not a complete list. I will try to add more as I find them.

So, my point here is, how much STIMULUS is there compared to needless spending? How much money did they spend in order to 'stimulate' our economy? Does it wash out? Did they spend billions more than what is planned for stimulus? I've got my own opinion, but I'll let you decide for yourself.





$60 million in competitive transportation grants to states

$550 million for transportation on Indian reservations

$750 million for mass transit rail improvements

$4 billion in "Public Housing Capital Fund"

$510 million in Native American Housing Block Grants

$1 billion in Community Development Grants

$15 million for Wildland Fire Management

$165 million for Fish and Wildlife Service deferred maintenance

$115 million for Fish and Wildlife Service construction projects

$15 million for preservation at Historically Black Colleges

$589 million for National Park System construction

$140 million for repair and restoration of US Geological Survey facilities

$450 million for Bureau of Indian Affairs construction

$600 million for EPA Superfund program

$200 million for Leaking Underground Storage Tank program

$2 billion in emergency aid for the redevelopment of foreclosed homes

$1.09 billion for Air Force "Operation and Maintenance"

$98 million for Army Reserve "Operation and Maintenance"

$55 million for Navy Reserve "Operation and Maintenance"

$39 million in Marine Corps Reserve "Operation and Maintenance"

$13 million for Air Force Reserve "Operation and Maintenance"

$266 million for Army National Guard "Operation and Maintenance"

$25 million for Air National Guard "Operation and Maintenance"

$75 million each for Army, Navy, Air Force "Research, Development, Test and Evaluation"

$400 million for "Defense Health Program"

$2 billion for Army Corps of Engineers construction

$375 million for Army Corps projects on the Mississippi and tributaries

$2.07 billion for Army Corps of Engineers "Operation and Maintenance"

$100 million for "Formerly Utilized Sites Remedial Action Program"

$1 billion for Interior Department "Water and Related Resources"

$50 million for Central Utah Project Completion Act

$50 million for California Bay-Delta Restoration Act

$10 million to inspect canals in urban areas

$16.8 billion for Energy Department, "Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy"

$5 billion of that goes for "Weatherization Assistance"

$4.5 billion to improve the nation's electricity grid

$2.25 billion for low-income housing tax credit projects

$1.5 billion in a homelessness prevention fund

$24 million for construction and repairs to US Department of Agriculture facilities

$22.5 million for the USDA Inspector General for oversight on the stimulus bill

$176 million for deferred maintenance on US Agricultural Research Service facilities

$50 million to modernize and maintain the IT system of the Farm Service Agency

$290 million for "Watershed and Flood Prevention Operations"

$50 million for "Wastershed Rehabiliation Program"

$1 billion for rural housing direct loans

$10.4 billion for rural housing guaranteed loans

$2.5 billion for rural distance learning, telemedicine and broadband

$100 million in grants for National School Lunch Program equipment assistance

$150 million in agricultural commodity assistance

$1 billion for the Census Bureau

$4.7 billion for "Broadband Technology Opportunities Program" which includes $350 million for the

development of a "broadband inventory map"

$650 million for Digital TV converter box program

$220 million for Scientific research at the National Institute of Standards and Technology

$360 million for Construction of scientific research facilities

$230 million in extra budget money for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

$600 million for NOAA "Procurement, Acquisition and Construction"

$225 million in grants for programs to combat violence against women

$2 billion in state and local law enforcement assistance grants

$225 million in grants to improve the criminal justice system

$225 million in law enforcement assistance to Indian Tribes

$100 million for the "office for Victims of Crime"

$125 million in law enforcement assistance for rural areas

$50 million in state and local grants to combat internet crime against kids

$1 billion for the COPS program

$400 million in operations budget money for NASA

$150 million for "Aeronautics" at NASA

$400 million for "Exploration" at NASA

$2.5 billion for research at the National Science Foundation

$100 million for NSF "Education and Human Resources"

$400 million for NSF "Major Research Equipment and Facilities Construction"

$1.4 billion in Army "Operation and Maintenance"

$657 million in Navy "Operation and Maintenance"

$113 million in Marine Corps "Operation and Maintenance"

$3.4 billion for "Fossil Energy Research and Development"

$483 million for "Non-Defense Environmental Cleanup"

$390 million for "Uranium Enrichment Decontamination and Decommissioning Fund"

$1.6 billion for "Science"

$6 billion "Innovative Technology Loan Guarantee Program"

$5.12 billion for "Defense Environmental Cleanup"

$7 million for oversight of "Making Work Pay" tax credits and payments in this bill

$80 million to implement health insurance tax credit plan

$5.5 billion for the "Federal Buildings Fund"

$8 billion for high speed rail

$1.3 billion for Amtrak

$6.9 billion in mass transit capital assistance

$100 million in discretionary grants to public transit agencies

$300 million to buy energy efficient vehicles for the federal government

$200 million to consolidate the Department of Homeland Security Headquarters

$100 million for hi tech border security technology along the Mexican border

$420 million for construction of US Customs land border ports of entry

$20 million for tactical communications equipment for immigration enforcement

$1 billion for Aviation Security (explosive detection equipment)

$98 million for improvements to Coast Guard shore facilities

$142 million for "Alteration of Bridges"

$150 million in FEMA Public Transportation Security Assistance grants

$150 million for Port Security Grants

$210 million in grants to upgrade non-Federal fire stations

$125 million for Bureau of Land Management activities

$180 million for Bureau of Land Management construction

$4 billion in Clean Water grants

$2 billion for safe drinking water projects

$300 million for "Diesel Emission Reduction Act grants"

$650 million in US Forest Service "Capital Improvement and Maintenance"

$500 million for Wildland Fire Management

$85 million for Indian Health Services

$415 million for Indian Health Facilities construction projects

$25 million for repairs on Smithsonian Institution facilities

$50 million for National Endowment for the Arts to help preserve jobs in the non-profit arts sector

$3.95 billion in worker training and employment services

$400 million in state unemployment insurance funding

$80 million for enforcement of worker protection laws

$250 million for construction of Job Corps Centers

$500 million in grants to health care centers

$1.5 billion for health information technology systems

$500 million to address health professions workforce shortages

$1.3 billion for National Institutes of Health research resources

$7.4 billion for Office of the Director, NIH

$500 million for high priority construction at NIH

$700 million for comparative effectiveness research

$2 billion in low income child care assistance

$1 billion in funding for Head Start

$1.1 billion for expansion of Early Head Start

$1 billion for Community Services Block Grant Act

$2 billion for Office of the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology

$300 million for CDC childhood immunization programs

$650 million for community-based prevention and wellness strategies

$50 million in grants to states for infections reduction strategies

$13 billion in Title I education funding

$720 million in school improvement grants

$200 million in "Innovation and Improvement" education grants

$12.2 billion in Special Education funding

$15.8 billion in student financial assistance money

$89 million in AmeriCorps awards money

$500 million to replace the National Computer Center for Social Security

$500 million to process disability and retirement claims

$180 million in Army Military Construction

$280 million in Navy and Marine Corps Military Construction

$180 million in Air Force Military Construction funds

$1.33 billion to build military hospitals

$120 million for military energy conservation programs

$50 million for Army National Guard Military Construction

$50 million for Air National Guard Military Construction

$34 million for Army family housing construction

$80 million for Air Force family housing construction

$555 million for "Homeowners Assistance Fund"

$1 billion for Veterans Affairs medical facilities

$50 million for National Cemetery Administration

$150 million to hire temporary VA claims processors

$50 million for VA Information Technology Systems

$150 million in grants to build state extended care facilities

$90 million for passport and training functions facilities

$290 million for State Department IT security upgrades

$1.5 billion in surface transportation infrastructure

$200 million for FAA infrastructure projects

$1.1 billion in airport grants

$27.5 billion in railroad and port infrastructure investments

$105 million for Puerto Rico highway program

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Comment by Pam on February 13, 2009 at 3:07pm
I still don't understand, even if they drag businesses out of the shitter, how that helps the citizens. I don't understand how people are supposed to help stimulate the economy when we still don't have the means to do so.

(Not arguing with anyone, just practically ignorant about economics.)
Comment by chiz on February 13, 2009 at 3:17pm
@Dan
I don't think you read my all of my blog or my posts. Try a different approach b/c I listed out the money going to businesses by itself. I'm certainly not going to go back and rephrase everything I've said just to make the same points a different way, so we'll just apply your statement to the last question in the blog post.

OH!, to your statement that I don't quite "grasp what the problem with the economy is." is true. That statement can be said about all of us... unless we have deluded ourselves into thinking otherwise.
Comment by Rev. Tom Hicks, D.D. on February 13, 2009 at 4:16pm
Well, either way, McCan't or NObama, it would have turned out this way. The population voted & has spoken that they want Big government to make the decisions for our Republic. Nothin' more to do it seems. I called the Senate's minority leader Mitch McConnell, his secretaries, and everyone else that hasn't blocked my number to protest & be a voice for the American people.

I doubt anyone else even attempted to stop this.
Comment by chiz on February 13, 2009 at 5:56pm
Many people did the same thing Pops; just not enough.
Comment by Steve on February 20, 2009 at 10:07am
Holy crap I forgot all about this discussion, but I am back! Chiz, I am not confident I have explained my position well so I am going to take another stab at it.

While the bill certainly has what seems like a lot of asinine spending, I don’t think it is as easy to pick out what you call pork as you are making it out to be. It’s like every time I go to a bar recently; I always over hear someone say “did you know Obama is going to spend Y amount of dollars on x!?! How ridiculous!!!”

Personally, I find it ridiculous that people expect to be able to determine how the bill works by reading a list of where money will be spent.

On a side note, one thing I was hoping to get away from with the new president is this idea that HUGE political decisions should be explained in a quote short enough to be a headline. You could see it in our previous election; politicians speak in one line talking points. I think this stimulus bill may be an example of a move away from that.
Comment by chiz on February 20, 2009 at 11:41am
One thing I'm failing to understand is why some people defend the stimulus to the point of not really making any sense. I'm sorry, buddy, but your argument is getting stringy.
Other than the fact that it's Obama... or that he's a Democrat.. or maybe just b/c he's black, it seems people are defending him as if he has proven himself. Just b/c Bushy is finally out of office and the Republicans lost the majority does not suddenly make the predisposed corruption suddenly.. go away.

You say the bill seems like it has "a lot of asinine spending", but you don't think it's easy to pick out what I call pork... I can pick out pork in a bill b/c I've seen billions of dollars wasted on projects just like the one's mentioned in the list. You have complained about pork in the past, EVERYONE, who has followed politics in the last 10 years has complained about it.. We have seen billions.. if not trillions of dollars pissed away on pointless BS, just like this stuff that usually, never gets finished.

Now, given the government's record on this subject, I prefer to look at this as the 'same ol' shit'... b/c, as you said, it sure does 'seem like a lot of asinine spending'... I'm not going to ignore the same signs I have seen in the past just b/c we have a black democratic president claiming change. That's absurd. I'm not going to curve my opinions of the government just b/c he stands on a different side of the line THEY have drawn down the center of this country.

If this bill succeeds and the pork turns out to be valid spending and the country is better off for it, I will be the first to admit that I was wrong. I will be MORE than happy to admit that. But, I tend to use past experiences to judge the future. I like to use a little more logic than emotion when judging our POS government. (that is what the people are supposed to do, right? judge and vote on the correct government..)

So, with all that said, let's try an exercise. We are going to pretend that we are not talking about politics. Now, we are going to try to apply some of that same logic that we atheist so love to exercise while trying to sound philosophical about the existence of a god.

Ok, let's go over a few things we can hopefully agree on. (if not, I can't go any further with this conversation)
The government:
1- lies to the people
2- cheats the people
3- steals ridiculous amounts of money from the people through pork projects
4- power hungry
5- corrupt (choose a level, it's there in some form)

You can object to these point by asking me for a source, but you know as well as I do that it is not necessary.. unless your intent is to avoid the conversation by refuting obvious statements just for the sake of avoidance.

So, with those points about our government, I can only come to the conclusion that this bill is as fucked up as the last stimulus bill they passed. That one worked out brilliantly. History is not on their side.

You say that it's not easy to pick pork out of a bill... well, maybe that's why the government has gained so much control over us. Analyzing and judging our government's actions isn't easy enough. They are making it too hard. Well, I don't agree. I think that a list of where the money is spend it the closest thing to honesty we will ever get from our government on this matter. How WE, as citizens of this country, react to their nonchalant spending attitudes is hopefully what shapes them. If we just roll over and say it's not easy enough, they will just continue what they are doing and repeat.

I have a new question for you. How many strikes does the government get?

Oh, and agree with your last paragraph. I did like seeing Obama come up and actually try to explain the whole thing. Better than what we got last time, that's for sure.
Comment by Steve on February 20, 2009 at 11:45am
I guess my problem is with your approach. It seems you agree that some things in this bill will benefit the economy, but you clearly think some things are unnecessary, and as such would like to see them removed. This is an impractical approach. Chiz can’t be the decision maker for everyone, so if Chiz wants to remove some things then everyone should be able to remove some things. And if everyone removed the stuff they didn’t like then there wouldn’t be anything left.

I don’t think you can make the argument you are making without making an argument against the entire concept of a stimulus plan, and potentially the entire concept of government spending. As I said before, your approach doesn’t seem realistic.

Unless you aren’t suggesting change, just merely complaining. If that’s the case, then I agree with your complaints. Government spends money on useless things sometimes.
Comment by chiz on February 20, 2009 at 1:47pm
For those reading, Steve and I came to an agreement on this subject. I thought it would help someone else understand what the debate is b/c as we found out, it's not exactly apparent in our words.

We agree that my view on this subject is unrealistic. When I argue a point, I don't bother to squeeze my ideals into the box our government has placed us in... which as Steve is trying to point out, is unproductive. My views can only work in a world where things are what they should be. I know this, and I should clarify it when I criticize the government, rant and rave or just bitch about politics in general.
When ranting I will speak as an idealist--not a realist. I want the ideal country, not what we have now.

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