Northern Irish Bakery Refuses to Bake Pro Gay Cake

This story has been all over the online tabloids in seems. There is a bakery in Northern Ireland who have point black refused to bake a cake for an LGBT rights organisation advocating for marriage equality. The indended cake would have had a picture of Bert and Earnie from Sesemy Street with the slogan "Support Gay Marriage"

But the general manager refused based on religious grounds

“We considered it, looked at it and decided that it was at odds with our beliefs and was in contradiction with what the Bible teaches. 

The company was founded by Christians, the current directors are Christians, that means that we run a business by Christian values and beliefs, based on what the Bible teaches. That also means for example that we don’t open on Sundays and we trade openly and honestly with people." -Daniel McArthur-

But the law in Northern Ireland is quite clear on its position regarding discrimination. The Equality Commission says that they are in breach of the stated law that prohibits discrimination in the provision of goods and services to people on the grounds of their sexuality. 

My feelings on this are quite simple, religion has no place in the business and it is simply unprofessional to being religion into a business that isn't connected with a church.

Full story is available at Journal.ie

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Tags: Christianity, discrimaiton, equality, gay, ireland, lgbt, marriage, same, sex

Comment by kris feenstra on July 9, 2014 at 3:28pm

BTW, the idea that a bakery (of all things) has much of a responsibility to the community is laughable. 

It doesn't, but why is that relevant? Are you suggesting that the law should be ad hoc based on discretionary sense of importance? Commerce, in general, is essential.

Comment by Nerdy Keith on July 9, 2014 at 3:35pm

@Joe Passarino, 

Of course there are other bakers in Northern Ireland. But that is besides the point. This company broke the law. And as it happens the British Prime Minister David Cameron when made aware of the issue fully supports and agrees with the Equality Commission. 

Follow Up Article

Comment by Joe Passarino on July 9, 2014 at 3:43pm

@Nerdy Keith As I stated, a business is obligated to operate its business within the law.  It seems to me though that many of these cases we hear about like this are activists playing "GOTCHA!" with groups opposed to them.

Comment by Unseen on July 9, 2014 at 3:57pm

Kris, I was responding to someone else's suggestion that all businesses have a duty to serve up their goods/services even if they have conscientious reasons for not doing so.

I'm also not discussing what the law is, but what it should be. Whether it should be able to force someone who doesn't want business to provide it no matter what. For example, to bake a cake for the local Nazi Party, even if they find the idea reprehensible. Here in the U.S., while 99.9% of the public abhors Nazis, it's not illegal to be one or to even hold Nazi Party meetings at which cake might be served.

Comment by Erock68la on July 9, 2014 at 4:09pm

@Davis Goodman

No, I am using extreme examples to illustrate a principle.  They can choose to not decorate their cakes in certain ways, or to only decorate them in certain ways.  Maybe a baker only bakes purple cakes.  Maybe a bakery is owned by a divorcee who refuses to bake wedding cakes or by a vegan who won't use eggs or butter.  You can't go in and force them to do a wedding cake.  That's their choice, and the market will bear them out.

Comment by Nerdy Keith on July 9, 2014 at 4:49pm

@Joe Passarino, 

Point taken. However I would argue that if they didn't play the pownage game (so to speak), they would be getting away with discrimination without consequences. The activist group whom put in the order are merely spreading awareness of this illegal act. After all they would not be very good LGBT activists if they didn't. 

Say for example that a racial minority working for Amnesty International was refused service based on their race. The very same thing would be happening. 

Comment by Unseen on July 9, 2014 at 5:10pm

I don't think it's our job to remedy every little incident of discrimination no matter how slight, especially if we wouldn't want that remedy turned around on us in an instance of unforeseen conseuences.

Comment by Erock68la on July 9, 2014 at 5:11pm

@Nerdy Keith

Ok, I'm confused, and the link to the full story didn't work for me.  Did the bakery refuse to serve the people at all, or did they just refuse to decorate the cake the way they requested? 

Comment by Joe Passarino on July 9, 2014 at 5:42pm
Not knowing the UK law, would a gay owned bakery be breaking the law if they refused to create a cake for a group with the message "marriage is between one man and one woman"?

I'm not opposed to same sex marriage although I believe the state should not be in the marriage business at all. Couples wanting to form a legal partnership for property rights and child raising should be treated equally and sanctioned by the state. Marriage is a religious ceremony based on the customs and beliefs of the faith.
Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on July 9, 2014 at 6:31pm

Here is radio interview from Belfast about it.

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