I must admit, I'm not a big fan of Richard Dawkins or Steve Pinker for that matter. They're quite ethnocentric. As a feminist and someone who veers more towards the left, I can't stand their Darwinian style elitism. I'm looking for more equitable Athiest or Agnostic thinkers, if anyone could recommend anything please inbox or comment. I'm new to this site so go easy on me. Also any texts that criticize main theological issues in Islam would be great. Documentaries are also welcome. If you're going to refer me to anything in Arabic, it would help if you know a free pdf version of it because I can't always access Arabic books where I live. They're usually very rare. 

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Comment by Marvel on November 14, 2013 at 8:37am

they are connected by a way or another .. not necessarily by being active members of the MB but at least they share the same ideology .. they share the same target which is that islam dominates the world.

Comment by Laila Moe on November 14, 2013 at 9:44am

-__-' that's disappointing. Is there any hope, ever?

Comment by Marvel on November 14, 2013 at 3:02pm

hope in reforming islam to become moderate .. NO
hope in islam to tolerate the others .. NO
hope that we will get rid of all this crap .. YES

I'm optimistic about the future.

Comment by Laila Moe on November 14, 2013 at 9:09pm

I think it is likely that with science and freedom, humanity may evolve past religion. However, does the chicken come first or the egg? I'm curious as to how you see the future turning out... or what you see that is optimistic. 

I follow egyptian news regularly, despite the depression it gives me. But I don't know if I see hope. Maybe I'm just disappointed with myself for all the times that I was wrong about something or put my hopes in something (or someone) and turned out to be completely wrong. And then no change is happening and no matter what people do, somehow the assholes always come around.  

Comment by Marvel on November 15, 2013 at 4:42am

the news are always depressing and disappointing .. but on the other hand i see dynamic changes in the society.
for example .. in public transportation (Taxis, micro-buses) the usual was to listen frocefully to a recorded lesson of a sheikh preaching religion .. this is not the case now .. usually they are playing news radio-station or very loud music that sounds like trance مهرجانات

another noticable thing is that cafe's rarely now display religious channels and that was the case before they were shut down .. and yes no one is missing them.
i see lots of girls who used to be veiled and now have decided to take it off .. i see young people who now like to call themselves after Richard dawkins and Christopher hitchins .. i see atheists who go out publicly on TV not discussing religion yet but asking for more freedom rights and not to be discriminated.

change is a slow process and what our interests now are not the same as they used to be 3 years ago.

Comment by Laila Moe on November 15, 2013 at 5:59pm

That's very tiny, but I guess it is probably really huge for someone who lives there. My problem is that despite people becoming brave and rebelling against their society, in such a repressed and authoritarian country, this rebellion does not often reflect on the wider community. But then again, I'm looking from the outside in and I probably don't know as much as you do. 

By the way, have you seen this: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR7Mdu_bTFI#t=153

Comment by Marvel on November 17, 2013 at 2:53pm

what i meant by these observations of the daily life is that there is a change in the society way of thinking and change in the way they perceive religion .. they don't take any shiekh words for granted anymore .. and that's huge for a society like egypt.

have you read this post before http://osama-dorra.blogspot.com/2013/10/blog-post_27.html  .. the blogger used to be religious and an active member of the muslim brotherhood .. now he's not .. and there are lots of youth like him .. asking questions and being skeptic about everything.

the interview you have posted was supposed to warn people from the dangers of atheism but instead it showed how shallow and weak is the religious man sitting infront of him."a respectul man working as the dean of isalmic philosophy at el-Azhar who claims that evolution is "dead" and there is no such thing as evolution.
the presenter was afraid from him .. fears that he might say something that makes her doubt islam that's why she was always interrupting him and was much relieved when he left.
it back fired at them really bad .. i've read lots of articles and posts attacking her and her immature and unprofessional performance,
i'm still optimestic :)


Comment by Laila Moe on November 17, 2013 at 6:52pm

Ooh that's interesting. I haven't heard of him. All I know of are Yusuf El Kharabaway and Ahmad Douma who left. That's good. I hope that with the whole "shar3eya" shit, people don't switch to the Brotherhood's side. 

Yes, I found the video hilarious. But feels like howa f waady w homa f waady taany khaless. But I gained respect for the guy... can't believe he was so patient! i would have just death glared at them and walked out loool. 

I really wanna go back and live in Egypt. I don't want my religious views or life style to prevent me. :( 

Hope it gets better.

Comment by Marvel on November 18, 2013 at 6:48am

i think you should do a visit for a month or two to egypt before deciding to live permanently in here .. reality might be 180 degrees different than the image you have in mind.
living in egypt isn't hell as it might seem to be .. it depends on where do u live and your work place and areas where you hang out at .. usually with the right place and right crowd you won't feel any difference in the life style.

Comment by Laila Moe on December 3, 2013 at 12:57pm

Haha, that was my plan. Hopefully I will come for a summer visit or something (and maybe take a class at the AUC?). 

Last time I visited was the summer before the revolution. I got really depressed there, because nothing was like how I remembered it. Hopefully this time I can find happiness in doing something that would change the country, and in surrounding myself with good people and going to the beautiful places in and out of the city =)

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