I would like to hear people's views on the topic of spirituality. Some starting viewpoints to discuss and develop further. The first question I would ask is: is it possible to be an atheist and believe in some form of spirituality, however defined?

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Comment by steven rodriguez on November 5, 2013 at 8:05pm

yeah I don't see a problem with feeling connected to the universe. There is scientific things like atoms , magnetic fields and other connections that are proven. energy is finite in the universe, can not be created nor destroyed so. So because we don't have explanation for these phenomena does not stomp on the core belief that religion was created as a scam to control people and there is no pie in the sky. Its when spiritualism is relating to that crap then its a problem. but plenty of words have different meaning to the context of the environment. like in England a "faggot" means a cigarette no big deal, but here well its hideous

Comment by ɐuɐz ǝllǝıuɐp on November 5, 2013 at 8:36pm

To me spirituality is a personal understanding of life, the universe and everything and your relationship with it which would normally focus on love, empathy, compassion and understanding. Do things that make you happy, as long as it does not harm people , nature and the environment. Its one's own path to personal enlightenment, which may be theistic or atheistic. The only difference is that it spirituality would be focused on one's own personal philosophy and understanding, rather than trying to convert people to a belief, which occurs in religions.

The thing there is no such thing as spirits , because for a spirit to exist a soul or better said , consciousness which is one's operating system of the mind would need to exist without the existence of a body (since it is energy, and what people fail to understand is energy is the vibration or motion of particles and stuff). So spirit is truly only a "state of being" of the present, hence using intersexed, transgendered, third gendered people as an example of Native American culture, with their description of "two-spirited" merely represents "being in two-states of existence accross the two binary digits of male and female", which also can be expressed with this artwork, of avatar logic... I so love that movie being realistic

Comment by steven rodriguez on November 5, 2013 at 10:48pm

I love your point of view, I wish I was better at description

Comment by steven rodriguez on November 5, 2013 at 11:00pm

This is how stupid religious people are. They came to this country and looked down on the natives because they were not advanced in science and gadgets and weapons, but what if... what if the natives were actually more advanced in the way they respected the planet and only took and used what they needed and didn't destroy the world like we are like the nuclear meltdown happening right now in japan and everyone working so hard that they eat fast food and die of cancer. is that spiritualism?  being advanced can be relative in the way as you say does no harm and finding happiness in being and not how many zero are in a bank account

 I know im off track from the original subject but your post made me think about why I don't need a god to make decisions that are moral and good and the evidence to me is the supposed self acclaimed god people are the ones doing the worst damage to the planet and mankind

Comment by Unseen on November 5, 2013 at 11:53pm

This is how stupid religious people are. They came to this country and looked down on the natives because they were not advanced in science and gadgets and weapons, but what if... what if the natives were actually more advanced in the way they respected the planet and only took and used what they needed and didn't destroy the world

The white invaders didn't have to be religious to do what they did. They were just Europeans of their time. We will look like primitives to to atheists of the future for some reason or other. For eating meat perhaps. For driving autos powered by gas perhaps. For opposing nuclear power. We won't be around to find out what they will hold against us. 

Ah, the Noble Savage horseshit. Long before the white man arrived, Native Americans warred against each other just like Europeans. They committed or attempted genocide. They certainly got involved in vendettas. They tortured prisoners. Kidnapped and enslaved hostages.

In the plains, there was a buffalo cult that preceded the intrusion of the white man. They would kill buffalo for the skull and skin and leave the buffalo corpses to rot. 

True, they didn't have the technology to rape the environment that the white man had, but to say the will wasn't there is to distort the facts.

The noble savage is a naive misrepresentation of the facts.

Comment by _Robert_ on November 6, 2013 at 12:28am

Yea, evidence and accounts indicate that Native North Americans held slaves, fought wars, could be extremely cruel, and practiced human sacrifice long before any Europeans arrived on the continent. They were so very religious/spiritual that it practically paralyzed them.

This does not lessen the atrocities imposed on them by Christian European invaders. People are people, I guess.

Comment by Unseen on November 6, 2013 at 12:37am

This does not lessen the atrocities imposed on them by Christian European invaders. People are people, I guess.

My point exactly.

Comment by steven rodriguez on November 6, 2013 at 5:25am

yeah and every history book ever written is spot on accurate and truthful.Heres something to ponder who ever wrote this history had to be present to observe them. tainted evidence because  no control group they were infected by the Europeans at this point, In other words these atrocity's were no noted in a time period where they were not influenced by the white man nor could they be because who ever gathered the evidence wrote it the way they wanted it to be, I don't believe its cut and dried because anthropology has changed its mind on other cultures many times. how about  the Egyptian slaves? well now the say they were conscripted workers who had houses(that were unearthed) money (found coins) and only served for a time period much like our system (military, peace corps ect...) anyway the point is I don't take everything as true just because some guy wrote in in a book

 

Comment by Unseen on November 6, 2013 at 7:51am

@the Atheist who Stole from Jesus - I never said otherwise. There are peaceful and gentle white people, too. Quakers, for example. People are people wherever you go.

Comment by Lori Koonce on November 7, 2013 at 7:21pm

If one dosen't believe in a God, then it logically and usually follows that they don,t believe in all the trappings that go along with that.  But, the mind is a complex thing and is just begining to be under stood so who really knows?

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