There are so many points about being free of religion and attendant guilt that celebration is possible ever moment of every waking day, I do not know where to begin. Abolish fear by simply denying the existance of a judgemental condemning distant non-existant deity. If there was a deity of note, it would have no gender at all. But for an atheist, there is no point in speculating about this imaginary thing that I will not even label give a name.

Is it inconsistant to you that are reading this that as an atheist, I still take the principles and the ideas of astrology seriously? The reason that I have turned to the study of astrology is not to answer any questions about the meaning of life or need to understand free will as opposed to free choice, but grasping all of the deeper concepts that astrology holds begins to explain why people have a deep inate need to believe in something that is greater than themselves. I personally view people who bow and bend to an imagnary deity to be weaker and intellectually inferior. Belief in religion tends to warp the perceptions and causes levels of dysphoria, states of illusion that are close to mental disorders. Those caught in the frenzy of their own beliefs display all signs of disconnection from the real world, and can be labelled as experiencing a mental dsorder. There i no such thing as heaven or hell, no need for salvation. All those cookies, those carrots that they hold up as motivators are completely bogus, empty meaningless, without any substance whatsoever promises and sleight of hand.

Freedom of mind leads to freedom of spirit. There is much to reveal in order to free the minds and spirits of those who are enslaved by the school of liars especially in Roman Catholicism.
Christian denominations is that their leader, Jesus the Christ, was a devout Jew who followed Jewish ways of living observing the Laws of Moishe(Moses). If this man who in life was called Yeshua ben-Yosef, not Jesus the Christ, was a Jew, why does Roman Catholicism not follow the Jewish ways of doing thing?

There are answers to these questions but it is a good way of beginning to undermind the authority that Constantine perverted Christianity created.

It is not enough to question that bugaboo about a deity that is supposed to be omniscient, omnipotent, omni-loving, omni-present. Such fakeries that I was fed as a child by my well-intentioned parents and family. It is not enough to question that there is no such thing as hell or heaven, to show the weakness of this erroneous belief based on the fact that Jews themselves have never had dichotomy of heaven and hell nor the belief in salvation.

The base principles that the teacher Yeshua ben-Yosef (Jesus the Christ) taught about unconditional love are valid to this day. His principles of forgiving 7 times 70 times is a very good basis for living, But without judgement or condemnation.

Leaving you with these thoughts..

Ed Joseph

States of bliss and dysphoria are no stranger to me, however, I know the difference between these moments of disconnection and my real world.

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Comment by Ed Joseph on September 13, 2009 at 6:21pm
Who do you think you are setting parameters in this stream.

I did not ask for this andyou will be ignored.

You have becom nothing but a jerk, a typicallyanoyin USia with an agenda whohtes t loose. Don't you haveaythinbetter todo? Is you life so empty.

You are intimidated because you are reacting out of fear and not logic.

You really show your immaturity too in the base and low manner with which youattept t insult me.<

In the end you arenothing but a jackass andan asshole.

You don't have any kind of formal scholary training. If you did you swoul knw aready manyof thereferences I make.

You expect me to provide links to every subject that I mention. If I don't then you automatically thnk that I must be making it up. Thats t logic of a skeptic.

You missed the part where I stated that I have read many of the studies done by scientists why science can't find evidence for astrology. It doesn't matter to me what they conclude. It matters to you.

You're kind of weird in your own way. But then don't take it persnally. Just go away.
Comment by Reggie on September 13, 2009 at 6:25pm
Thanks for playing, Ed Joseph. Good luck with your astrals.
Comment by Prazzie on September 13, 2009 at 7:41pm
Wow! Reggie wrote "Am I in Bizarro world?" I think so, Reggie. I'm going to ignore the preceding conversation and chip in here with "So, astrology!" In Richard Wiseman's book, 'Quirkology', there is a delightful section on the scientific investigation of astrology, which of course indicates that astrology is bunk. (Not that conclusions of scientific studies matter to Mr Formally Trained Scholar up above, but for the benefit of other readers considering the merits of astrology, I repeat, it's complete and utter woo.)

Here is a funny audio clip of Dr Wiseman chatting to an astrologer.

I think that really sums it up nicely, but if anyone wants to discuss the matter further (the matter being scientific investigations of astrology), I admit that the subject tickles my fancy. I know nothing about astrals, though.
Comment by Reggie on September 13, 2009 at 7:59pm
I'm going to ignore the preceding conversation

Smart move. There was not a lot of substance there.

Not that conclusions of scientific studies matter to Mr Formally Trained Scholar up above

Oh, but in my conversation with EJ, they did matter. Until he couldn't come up with anything (much like in your audio link), then and only then was astrology not subject to science (like God, don't you think?).

Thanks for linking that clip, by the way. I am a fan of Dr. Wiseman it was quite humorous to hear my long, drawn out discussion with EJ summed up in a 1 minute 31 second audio clip.

I admit that the subject tickles my fancy

Myself as well. I have a fascination with why people behave and believe the way that they do. I became quite discouraged in the state of human affairs after reading James Randi's book Flim Flam and seeing how, in modern times, how many people were duped or deluded by wacky beliefs. Astrology is one, of course. And if you had the inclination, you could go through EJ's posts and spot the disconnects, contradictions, and pervasive illogic that is his theme. Yet he seems utterly convinced. I find that remarkably fascinating.
Comment by Reggie on September 13, 2009 at 8:02pm
Here it is embedded.

Along with the late, great Carl Sagan.

Comment by Reggie on September 13, 2009 at 8:22pm
Bill Nye

James Randi

Comment by Dave G on September 13, 2009 at 10:17pm
"It doesn't matter to me what they conclude."

That pretty much sums up Ed's position. It does not matter what the facts are, he has his faith in astrology, and nothing will alter that faith.
Comment by Reggie on October 11, 2009 at 10:59pm
i can't believe i missed all this! this is hilarious!

Yeah? Just where in the hell were you?

I thought everyone was just watching and wondering why I was even bothering.
Comment by Reggie on October 11, 2009 at 11:20pm
the highlight for me came on page 2 when Ed said: "My problem with theists and deists and religionists in general is that their focus is so completely misplaced on all the unprovable even ridiculous claims that they make." hilarious because if you took out "theists and deists and religionists in general" and put "people who take astrology seriously" that would be my opinion!

The you saw my response that read: My problem with astrologists in general is that their focus is so completely misplaced on all the unprovable even ridiculous claims that they make. Their claims.

It seemed apt and was very easy to write.


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