So I was vehemently opposed by another individual when I told her that all babies were atheists. I also said that no innocent child believes in the supernatural beings until they are proselytized to believe so. Doesn't geographic determinism prove this? If you're born in the United States, you'll probably end up Christian, and if you're born in Iran, you'll end up Islamic. Doesn't this prove my point? I'd appreciate any devil's advocates.

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Comment by TheMostAthy on June 30, 2013 at 1:57am

I've heard this same idea used by people from different religions, but with a twist. They say that everyone is born believing in their god, but the culture the children are born into (if different from theirs) subverts and brainwashes the child to believe in a different, wrong god. They understand the concept, but misapply it.

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on June 30, 2013 at 6:33am

Comment by RobertPiano on June 30, 2013 at 8:30am

....I thought this topic was gonna be a new recipe. Even Christians believe that babies need to be baptized and/or you need to be born again. The initial birth is not enough.

Comment by Unseen on June 30, 2013 at 9:17am

Babies are born with no view on the matter. Arguing otherwise is to abandon logic.

Comment by Ed on June 30, 2013 at 10:31am

We are all a product of our environment. Demographics determine the particular flavor of indoctrination a child will be subjected to. We have no genetic instincts to worship. Unfortunately our  genetic disposition for self preservation does not automatically recognize concepts of invisible beings as dangerous to our survival.

Comment by Doug Reardon on June 30, 2013 at 2:14pm

Some tsar (I don't remember which) wanted to know which language babies would just naturally grow up to speak, without someone making them speak a particular one.  So he had babies raised in isolation without human contact.  They died.

Comment by Katie Mac - Upstate Atheists on June 30, 2013 at 7:43pm

Babies are born with one thing on their mind.....FOOD!

Comment by Kairan Nierde on June 30, 2013 at 10:49pm

Ermmm...wouldn't it be a smidge more accurate to say humans are born ignorant of theism? I suppose that falls under atheism...

Comment by Samuel Spraker on June 30, 2013 at 11:06pm

Doesn't an absence of knowledge for theism constitute as atheism? Being a theist doesn't seem to me to be a natural state, otherwise proselytizing and indoctrinating impressionable minds wouldn't be necessary.

Comment by Dave G on June 30, 2013 at 11:31pm

In a technical sense sure, Samuel. Much like a cat or a rock is an atheist. But they're an atheist by default, not because they have a reasoned opinion on the matter.

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