...and that's pretty cool of him. 

I knew there was a reason I wasn't trolling this guy's Twitter account. 

Now, I'm no fan of the job, in general. But this guy seems alright! 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists...

My good works are animal adoption charities, veterans programs and of course, my Plant a Row Program, where I grow and donate fresh produce to people in need. 

How are you getting to heaven? 

:)

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Comment by Dr. Bob on May 24, 2013 at 11:23am

@Sagacious, he's saying the first.

We believe that salvation comes through Christ and the Church, but also that God is just and a lot bigger than us, and that we don't really understand everything.  Who makes it to heaven, the atheist who lived a righteous life or the pope who covered up child molesters?  The atheist does.  The pope burns.   If the atheist is an atheist because she was turned off by the behavior of some numnutz of a Christian, is God going to hold that against the atheist or against the Christian?  Against the Christian.  Besides, it's an act of virtue to recognize a numnutz.

Comment by Strega on May 24, 2013 at 11:29am

Excuse me... "the pope burns"?  I could have sworn you have said that "Hell" isn't really a place of fire and brimstone.

Comment by Sagacious Hawk on May 24, 2013 at 1:16pm

@ Well, Bob, that's not how a Vatican spokesman, Rev. Thomas Rosica, put it to CNN.

"Francis’ comments received a great deal of attention on social media, with a number of people asking whether the Catholic leader believes that atheists and agnostics go to heaven, too.

On Thursday, the Vatican issued an 'explanatory note on the meaning to "salvation."'

The Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, said that people who aware of the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they 'refuse to enter her or remain in her.'

At the same time, Rosica writes, 'every man or woman, whatever their situation, can be saved. Even non-Christians can respond to this saving action of the Spirit. No person is excluded from salvation simply because of so-called original sin.'

Rosica also said that Francis had 'no intention of provoking a theological debate on the nature of salvation,' during his homily on Wednesday."

While I do agree with you (and I think it makes far mroe sense) that if a heaven and deity existed, there's no way to know who would or wouldn't make it into heaven, because there's no way to know what that being would do, but according to Rev. Rosica, if you know what the Catholic church teaches regarding the divinity of Jesus and continue to deny it unto death, then the gate is shut. After all, Jesus did say that no one comes to the father except through him. That's not a matter of interpretation. It's a basic tenet.

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on May 24, 2013 at 1:22pm

I am obviously not up to date on Christian beliefs. I thought that you could only be saved as per Ephesians 2:8

“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God”

An Atheist is not an atheist because he or she is turned off by something a Christian does. One is an Atheist because they do not believe in (any) God. If your Pope repents is he not then saved?

Please Bob let me know what I need to do to ensure your God does not save me and make me live in Heaven for billions and billions of years. Will daily blasphemy do the trick? Eternity is a very long time especially towards the end (Woody Allen). The thought of going to Heaven instils the same dismay in me as going to hell does in Christians. J

Btw when do Catholics go to Heaven? Apart from all the Angels and Saints that are there already, when do other dead people get there? I often hear Catholics saying that a deceased person is in Heaven but I thought it was all going to happen on the Day of Judgement.

When the Pope makes a dead person a saint do they skip judgement and go directly to Heaven?

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 24, 2013 at 2:29pm

Reg - re-read what you just wrote - there may be an implication in there that even you didn't realize. You said, "One is an Atheist because they do not belief in (any) God." But according to your quotation from Paul's letter to the Ephesians: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God

I'm reading that god decides who will have faith, and who will not - to some he gives, "the gift," while others get coal in their stocking.

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on May 24, 2013 at 5:42pm

Hey Prof-

If the Pope is just now saying what the Catholic Church in general believes, WTF is the point in having a Pope? 

Isn't he supposed to be leading the masses and not the other way around? 

Does that mean that the ACTUAL position on birth-control is just an unspoken thing since 90 something percent of Catholics used it? When's he going to come around on that one?

I mean, Popes can retire now, which means they can be pressured to resign. Is it still the going belief that a Pope is the mouthpiece for your God? 

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on May 24, 2013 at 6:29pm

Arch – Maybe he keeps a list and then decides who will get the “Gift” but only after he checks it twice.  Just as well that I am not good for goodness sake.

Misty – I was shocked to hear the last pope resigned!!  God picked him and then he went and quit on him!! I needed a big bowl of soup when I heard that news.

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 24, 2013 at 6:55pm

RE: "Just as well that I am not good for goodness sake." - Me either, but I'm open to bribes --

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 25, 2013 at 1:46am

San Francisco??

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on May 25, 2013 at 2:21am

@Misty - Pope  Benedict XVI claims condoms could make African Aids crisis worse:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/17/pope-africa-condoms-aids

A pope can change anything he wishes, some things go halfway, just to justify their position now. It is all PR, trying to catch up to what people are actually doing, or need to do. There were secular people in countries like Botswana, teaching them how to use condoms to prevent aids.   When Pope Benedict XVI said that using a condom can cause aids, there was such an outcry all over the world, they rescinded and said - : Oh, we have changed our mind, you should be using condoms to lessen the chance of getting aids.

Ratszinger resigned, the first pope to do so, he could see so many problems looming, pedophilia inquires, Ireland telling the vatican to shut up - inquiries into the vatican bank, the hiding of pedophiles at the vatican, the questioning of "How did the Vatican become a State again?"

Not an auspicious or honorable start - Through the Fascist Mussolini, who also gave them money, (of course the vatican denies this) - and that fact, which has never been overturned - gives the Vatican the protection against everybody trying to make inquiries into anything the vatican does.

Lots of rules shave changed, Limbo, where dead unbaptised babies hung about - these babies can now go to heaven.

Eating meat on Friday was considered a sin, not now.

The mass used to be said in Latin, and changed to English in 1970, with many fundamentalist catholics protesting.

One could not have something to eat before taking communion - now you can have breakfast.

Catholics are not supposed to get divorced, if they do, they should not marry again, and a catholic priest will not marry a divorced person - Voila - weddings in the park :) This is deemed to be adultery.

And the catholic church is wondering why they are becoming obsolete in western countries. Duh.

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