I post a lot of things about being atheist on Facebook; I realize this.  I live in the South immersing me right in the center of all religious perversions.  I have people delete me almost daily because of the things I post.  None of this ever really bothered me because I live a moral, ethical life and if someone didn't want to be digital friends with me because of my beliefs; so be it.  


It was different this time because it was one of my real life friends.  Someone that knows me, and knows how good of a person I try to be.  Cannot be friends with me because of my beliefs.  I'm generally a very insensitive person most of the time, but this hurt my heart. 

I'm becoming more and more of a militant atheist, and it's hard for me to even hear things about Christianity without getting heated in my head.  I need to move. 

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Comment by Dr. Bob on May 5, 2013 at 7:58pm

You mean other than the verses in the bible which call us atheists fools, and order you to run us through with a sword for trying to tempt you away from your god, right Professor?

Can you name one such verse, @Cody?  Or is this one of those myths that you atheists just believe. ;-)

@Misty, I'm afraid I lost the thread of your argument completely.  LDS and Evangelicals are both relatively small groups compared to the Catholic and Orthodox communities worldwide.  Believing in Christ, by itself, is not sufficient for membership in any Christian denomination that I'm aware of.  The truth, whether scientific or spiritual, is not determined by majority vote, and just because there are some whackos who claim they are scientists, or Christians, does not mean that they are.  It just means there are whackos.

The Bible is a compiled anthology of a subset of spiritual works, and like any compilation of human writing it can be read intelligently or improperly and out of context.  Absolutely, all communities do get to determine their membership, be they scientists, Christians, atheists, or whatnot.  The Christian community is in agreement on a great many things; the pre-Reformation churches are in agreement on almost everything of import.

Communities don't typically have "spokespeople", they just have members.  Who would be the spokesperson for all of science?  For all of democracy?  For all teachers/educators/professors?  It's just the members of the community.  As a member of the Catholic community, what I write would generally meet the requirements for nihil obstat and imprimatur within that community.  That is to say, it would be recognized as consistent with official Magesterial teaching within my faith.

So I'm afraid that not much of that made sense to me.

To come back around, though, I loved @Reg's T-shirt!  I think there's also merit to @Ed's notion.  There's an enormous "power of place" in psychology.  We humans like to belong, and we tend to conform our beliefs to our social environment.  It is mildly worrisome that anti-intellectualism is strongly geographically correlated in the U.S.  That makes it self-reinforcing in some bad ways.  We do need @Elizabeth and @Ed and all kinds of other thoughtful people to help balance and moderate those geographic trends in our fellow citizens, as hard as that may be sometimes.  Don't lose heart!

Comment by Elizabeth Williams on May 5, 2013 at 8:05pm

Oh...your....god.....THIS is what I'm talking about ....THIS is the stupidity I deal with in the South. I think I made this post public so everyone should be able to see it....My Facebook Post Tonight

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on May 5, 2013 at 9:01pm

Prof- 

Catholics believe in talking animals, a world wide flood, all the world's animals fitting on one boat (and the aquatic life surviving the massive salinity upheaval) a grown man surviving in a whale for three days and angel wrestling. That's not even going into the absurdity of bread and wine turning into flesh and blood because a holy man mumbled over them.

-You don't get to call anyone else wacko. You believe in magic water.

Mormons and Evangelicals make up MILLIONS of people and the vast majority of American Republicans. Hell, there are even hundreds of thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses outside the U.S, too. You do not get to invalidate the self identification of millions of Christians worldwide because of a few hairs you'd like to split. 

You don't think Mormons are real Christians because of whatever reason and they don't think you are real Christians because you worship idols, in their view. Who cares? John 3:16 is the foundation for MANY faiths that are considered Christian denominations, whether you like it or not. 

It's the definition of a word, my friend. You don't get to change it to suit your own world views. 

Here is what the dictionary says:

a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

(1) : disciple 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961

Here is also a nice ask.com article about Christian denominations world wide. See how it's considered common knowledge that Evangelicals and Mormons and everyone else is considered Christian? 

http://christianity.about.com/od/denominations/p/christiantoday.htm

Sorry, but your argument for 'community' falls. 

Again, please see the "No True Scotsman Fallacy.' 

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 5, 2013 at 9:43pm

@Elizabeth, I decided to drop in and lend a hand.

Comment by Alan C on May 5, 2013 at 9:55pm

There are several things that I think you need to address:

If a friend un-friends you because you are an atheist then they cannot be that good a friend (and they make a lousy christian)

You will make many friends on here and they will provide lots of support and advice. There are other social sites and groups as well, Twitter is great, with a strong atheist group of people, goodreads also has atheist member groups.

If it is possible you could move to a state with fewer relious zealots or, though a bit more drastic, emigrate to a secular country, the UK is very secular and my atheism causes no problems, in fact a devoutly religious person would attract more disdain than an atheist in most of the places I frequent.

Comment by Unseen on May 5, 2013 at 10:01pm

You can always ask, "Do you think Jesus would unfriend a nonbeliever? Isn't that the exact opposite of what Jesus taught?"

Comment by SteveInCO on May 5, 2013 at 10:12pm

Can you name one such verse, @Cody?  Or is this one of those myths that you atheists just believe. ;-)

Maybe he can't, but Psalms 14:1 gets quoted at us a lot.  Oftentimes at maximum volume. 

Talk about being ignorant of one's own religion...

Comment by Eric Diaz on May 6, 2013 at 12:16am

I read your facebook post... Considering that you live in southern area, your approach is somewhat abrasive.

Even if I agree with almost everything you wrote, I can see why is giving you problems.

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