I post a lot of things about being atheist on Facebook; I realize this.  I live in the South immersing me right in the center of all religious perversions.  I have people delete me almost daily because of the things I post.  None of this ever really bothered me because I live a moral, ethical life and if someone didn't want to be digital friends with me because of my beliefs; so be it.  

It was different this time because it was one of my real life friends.  Someone that knows me, and knows how good of a person I try to be.  Cannot be friends with me because of my beliefs.  I'm generally a very insensitive person most of the time, but this hurt my heart. 

I'm becoming more and more of a militant atheist, and it's hard for me to even hear things about Christianity without getting heated in my head.  I need to move. 

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Comment by Morayo Sandhagen on May 4, 2013 at 12:26am

I feel your pain. I live outside Portland Or. So I have a pretty liberal crowd out here. However when you find those who don't understand us they are just as small minded as the rest. Oh an I know that some will smack me for saying this. But I lose friends too. I actually keep my Atheist post away from everyone else. I know, I'm hiding. But it works..... BTW feel free to add me. I need all the thinkers I can get. LOL

Comment by M.M. on May 4, 2013 at 3:14am

I have been planning on moving out of Texas for a few years now. One of the main reasons is because how pervasive religion is in the state. I work at a University and it is everywhere, out loud and in the open. It is scary to see educators reading books disparaging evolution and how "Climatism" is the new mania.

But I dont get angry or upset about it, it just makes me feel sad, isolated and hyper aware of how much time I dont have to move somewhere else and try to enjoy what time I have left.

I'm going to try to make my move in about 8 to 10 months. But it is not easy when you have very limited resources and are completely on your own. But I am determined.

If you decide to move best of luck to you. I hope you find a more positive environment.

Comment by Tim Hopwood on May 4, 2013 at 7:17am

I feel for all you folk living in America. It seems to be atheist there is viewed as something akin to having leprosy. It's not like that at all in Europe, or even where I live, South Africa, the fourth most religious nation on earth. Most black folk here attend church weekly, but when they find out I dont believe in god they just shake their heads and say "Crazy Mlungu." (white man) I don't get any bad vibes from them for it. They seem quite accepting. Dunno what the response would be if I was black. Any thoughts, Bongani?

Comment by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2013 at 12:42pm

I work at a University and it is everywhere, out loud and in the open. It is scary to see educators reading books disparaging evolution and how "Climatism" is the new mania.

Oh for crying out loud!  Let me just say it makes me mad, but then I have a personal investment in the integrity of university education.  I think most of us old, traditional theists are perfectly happy standing with the atheists on this matter.   So don't feel too isolated.  They are definitely in the minority.

Comment by Dale Headley on May 4, 2013 at 12:45pm

Yes, I think you should move, the sooner the better - before the south secedes.

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on May 4, 2013 at 12:55pm

Hey Professor. Nice to meet you! 

It's great to have some alternative viewpoints, especially when they come packaged in polite words. Great to see you in the community! 

Just one thing, though: You might want to check out the 'No True Scotsman Fallacy' if you want your words to be heard instead of stereotypes reinforced. 

I know I for one, and many other atheists like me get our  hackles up when we see 'True Christian' or any other excuse for poor behavior by Christians. 

We all understand the desire to distance yourself from poor behavior, but the fact of the matter is, you don't have to right to label someone else in their religion. 

There are asshole Muslims, asshole Jews, asshole Christians and asshole Buddhists. 

Being an asshole doesn't make you any 'less' of a believer or follower. In many denominations, it makes you more of one. 

Saying someone isn't a 'true Christian' is derogatory to their belief system and factually incorrect. 

Believing in the Christ story makes you a Christian. 

You don't get to dismiss someone's religion because you don't like their actions. 

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 4, 2013 at 1:26pm

@Misty - RE: "Believing in the Christ story makes you a Christian." - but what does professing a belief in the Christ story, while declining to practice the precepts laid down by their peerless leader, make you? Certainly no true Christian, and I'm quite familiar with the No True Scotsman fallacy.

If you're going to create a term - Christian, in this case - you must begin with a definition, which I would have to assume requires proof of belief, as evidenced by following his precepts - anyone calling themselves a Christian, while not conforming to the definition of one, would of necessity, not be a "true" Christian, qed (whatever that means).

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on May 4, 2013 at 1:40pm


That logic only applies if you dismiss the 'repentance' clause of Christianity. 

One who believes the Christ story is Christian. 


One who believes in the Christ story and acts counter to their leader is still a Christian, because they can apologize for their behavior and continue on. That's the concept of sin. 

One Christian can't call another a Non-Christian based on behavior, because all Christians are sinners. 

One must not fulfill the stereotypical 'Christian' lifestyle to be Christian. One must only believe. Further, cherry picking and interpretation of the Bible leads to huge variations in what's considered Christ like and what isn't. 

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 4, 2013 at 2:58pm

Please stop - my head is hurting --http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/288.gif

Comment by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2013 at 11:13pm

Hi @Misty, thanks for the kind words.

I appreciate the argument you're trying to make, and I agree with it to a certain extent.  Certainly my language could have been more precise and less colloquial, it's just that colloquial language seemed more appropriate for the context.   However, you must understand that I'm coming at this from a religious perspective within the community of Catholic Christians, not from the social perspective you're taking.

It is possible for those of us within the community of scientists to say with a degree of confidence when someone is not doing real science, regardless of whether or not they claim to be.  Scientific creationism is not real science.

You're quite right, from the perspective of an outsider, it might not be at all clear why a creation scientist is different from an evolutionary biologist.  They both lay claim to the word "science" in defining themselves and their community.  Such an outsider might look and claim "saying someone isn't a 'true scientist' is derogatory" or "being a poor scientist doesn't make you any 'less' of a scientist".  However within the community, the distinction is understood and is real.

In the same way it is possible for those of us within the Christian community to say with a degree of confidence when someone is not practicing real Christianity, or is teaching something that is not truly Christian, regardless of whether or not they claim to be.  In both cases, it's defining the bounds of what is acceptable practice or teaching within our respective communities.

Believing in the Christ story makes you a Christian.

Ah, you must remember that I'm a Catholic.  We would not agree with that claim.  Thinking about it, I'm not sure that any Christian denomination would. 


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