I have one religious friend.
That's a bad way to start a blog post, because as Kevin Hart once brilliantly said (albeit about black people):

"Nothing is more racist than having one black friend.  Zero black friends is somehow less racist than having one black friend."

He and I get along just fine, thank you very much. He knows I'm an atheist and doesn't bother me about it, and I know he's religious and I don't bother him about it. The reason we both get along so well is mostly that we both recognize that belief (or lack-thereof) is a personal matter and not subject to argument or reasoning, something that many of my fellow atheists fail to realize.

Many people are scared to define themselves as 'Atheists' because of the stigma perpetuated by what I like to call "Anti-theists"; those people you know very well who aren't satisfied with being Atheists themselves, but go around preaching and trying to convert other people as well. Many people think, somewhat justifiably, that those people are just as bad as religious preachers - and it's therefor become a common practice among theists and anti-atheists to define 'Atheism' as a 'religion' because of that group of people who are as strict, militant, and extreme as some religious people are.

Personally I have a problem with both the people who define atheism that way and the people who justify that definition. I'm a 'Live and Let Live' kind of Atheist, and I would like to reclaim the title 'Atheist' from them and restore it back to what it means for me: Not believing in god(s) or any other supernatural force. It is not a 'religion' to me, there aren't any 'rules', there is no dogma and I do not preach. I am an atheist – in the most literal and simple form of the word, and that is all that means.

The Dawkins vs. Tyson approach

Two of the favorite "Atheist Celebrities", at least online, are Richard Dawkins - an evolutionary biologist and the inventor of the word 'Meme', and Neil deGrasse Tyson – an astrophysicist and one of the people responsible for the demotion of 'Pluto' from a planet to a mere dwarf-planet. The two however are vastly different in their approaches to the religious debate.

The former is famous mostly for his anti-religious rants and his almost militant views on theism, while the latter is famous mostly for advocating science literacy. And while most people might think that those two go hand-in-hand, you'll notice how Tyson never said ANYTHING for or against religion – he sticks strictly to science. He is – after all, a scientist.

But Tyson has not just neglected to refer to the subject – he actively refuses to 'take sides' in the 'Theists vs. Atheists' debate. As he puts it:

"Unlike Dawkins, I'm not gonna run around telling people what to believe and what not to believe, I'm not interested in that – that's not my mission."

Tyson even goes as far as criticizing Dawkins' approach straight to his face, saying to him:

"You are a professor of the public understanding of science, not professor of delivering the truth to the public, and these are two different exercises. Persuasion isn't always: "Here are the facts, and then you're either an idiot or you're not", persuasion is "Here are the facts, and here is a sensitivity to your state of mind" – and it's the facts plus that sensitivity that create impact. And I worry that your methods and how articulately barred you can be, end up simply being ineffective when you have much more power of influence than what is currently reflected in your output".

And Tyson makes a very good point: You cannot have a conversation with someone when your entire premise is that they're stupid if they disagree with you, or that their premise is innately wrong. Furthermore, it's Dawkins' approach that causes people to shy away from what might otherwise be a strong and important message about science literacy and understanding. For all we know, Tyson might not even be an atheist! And that's fine.

Belief is and should be personal

Tyson goes on to explain:

"I don't care what you believe – so long as it doesn’t harm another person".

And that's an important line to draw: any freedom – be it the freedom OF religion, the freedom FROM religion, or any other type of freedom – is only defendable so long as it doesn't interfere with other people's more innate freedoms. My freedom to be an atheist shouldn't interfere with other people's freedom to be religious – and for the most part it does not. Sadly, the other way around isn't as clear, as in many societies religious practices and ceremonies are not only supported by the states – they're sometimes even enforced.

It gets even more complicated when you talk about education. Tyson there puts this distinction:

"… However! If what you believe is demonstrably false, and you want to pass it off as true in a science classroom – I have an issue with that. If you want to say it in a religion class – fine… in the "Belief System" class, fine. In the "History of Human Thought" class, fine!"

And that is exactly the kind of distinctions we should be making. People are free to believe what they want, but when a history school teacher in New Jersey tells his students that they will "burn in hell if they don't believe in Jesus Christ" or that "the big bang and evolution are not scientific theories" and that "Noah's Arc carried dinosaurs", that's where the line should be drown – as he's not just passing off his own personal beliefs onto other students, he's doing so under the title of 'history teacher'.

The separation of church and state, or rather "the separation of ignorance from the ranks of schoolteachers" as Tyson better specified it while referring to that particular case, are battles worth fighting for. However, it is not our place to go around telling people that what they believe is or is not true – for after all, so long as it doesn’t interfere with our rights and our freedoms – it's their right to believe whatever the hell they want. The least we can do is respect that, and not do unto them what we would not like them to do unto us: preach.

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Comment by _Robert_ on April 22, 2013 at 5:35am

I'm a 'Live and Let Live' kind of Atheist, and I would like to reclaim the title 'Atheist' from them and restore it back to what it means for me: Not believing in god(s) or any other supernatural force. It is not a 'religion' to me, there aren't any 'rules', there is no dogma and I do not preach. I am an atheist – in the most literal and simple form of the word, and that is all that means.

Would you swear on a bible in a court of law that this is true, so help you God?

Comment by Elad Avron on April 22, 2013 at 5:22pm

@RobertPiano I actually wrote about that in a previous post.
If I would have to do so (and we don't where I live), I would address the Judge and explain to him that for me swearing on the bible is useless because it holds no sentimental value to me, and I would like - instead - to be sworn in on the flag or the constitution (some places allow that, not sure about the US).

I was in the Israeli military and we had to take our oaths while holding our hands to the bible. I explained to my C.O. that I was an atheist and I would want my oath to mean something, and instead I took the oath with my hand on the flag (by the way, the oath itself is 100% secular).

Comment by Simon Paynton on April 22, 2013 at 6:17pm

I think Richard Dawkins functions well as a strong and decisive figure - not unlike Mrs Thatcher.  How can you be a militant moderate?  That's what Neil deGrasse Tyson needs to be maybe. 

Comment by futilethewinds on April 22, 2013 at 6:53pm

Antitheism already means something. You can't just make up definitions for words. I mean, you can, but it won't mean anything to anybody else.

Comment by Alan C on April 22, 2013 at 7:17pm

Erm...I don't know if you noticed but people are killing other people in the name of religious faith.  In many countries women are treated like cattle with their lives forfeit for what most sane people would consider fairly minor misdemeanours.  In some countries if a woman is raped they have to produce male witnesses to prove that the perpetrator is guilty.  That might be their culture, but it is supported by their faith and what they are taught by their 'good book' and religious leaders.

Now just because your country has secular practices doesn't mean to say that all countries are like that.  Anything that helps to show the doubters and agnostics that religion is false has to be a step in the right direction, we need both activists and quiet, reasonable people, and everybody else in between, in order to reduce the numbers of people who believe in their all powerful invisible friend and to try to stop this spreading madness of fundamentalist thinking.

Religions have all sorts of people to spread their word, from the charismatic, helpful vicar picking up the vulnerable and needy on the edge of society to the evangelists packing the mega churches with thousands using threats and promises.  We need the same.  We need the Hitchens and Dawkins of this world to be our flag bearers on the stage to take on the the religious leaders when they spout their anti-gay and sexist comments to the gullible and naive.

If you are so 'live and let live' then leave them alone to do what they want to do, they really are not hurting anyone, they are just stating facts and possibly making a few people stop and think. When Richard Dawkins and other outspoken atheists pick up guns and start shooting people or planting bombs in the Vatican I will join YOUR crusade.

Comment by Logicallunatic on April 22, 2013 at 7:39pm

Tyson doesn't want the hassle and publicity that comes with the type of atheism which Dawkins promotes. It's a bit of a cowardly cop-out in my view. He's probably afraid of the negative connotations associated with atheism. 

Comment by _Robert_ on April 22, 2013 at 7:46pm

I think Alan C summarized how I feel very eloquently. It takes all kinds of people to change the world.

Comment by Simon Paynton on April 23, 2013 at 6:17am

@ Belle - "However I would challenge you to think about something." 

That's very interesting, and I will think about it. 

Comment by Ed on April 23, 2013 at 10:25am


It is the responsibility of all individuals to support a society that promotes peace and well being for ALL it's citizens. The religions created throughout our civilization have been responsible for unleashing all manner of crimes against humanity - pedophilia, mutilation of the genitilia, rape, slavery, torture, murder, and mass executions to name a few. And all these crimes, whether covertly or overtly, continue to this day in the name of religion. It is unconscionable to not speak out against religion. To remain silent is to in effect condone such practices. 

Comment by Alan C on April 23, 2013 at 4:29pm

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke


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