Muslims vs. Christians....the american bias continues...

Isn't it funny how americans, especially of the christian sect, like to view all muslims as "islamic radicals"? in light of the recent events in Boston, of which i am whole-heartedly sympathetic toward (yet we ATHEISTS HAVE NO HEART NOR MORALS i am told), i am drawn back to this argument of which i have heard others in the major media outlets sometimes talk about.  When a christian, especially an american christian, thinks of a muslim, they USUALLY think of them as an islamic radical who will blow anyone and everyone up at the slightest provocation, or no provocation at all.  They tend to think of any muslim as a terrorist, and to belong to an islamic sect is parallel to being a terrorist.  Yet when viewed in reverse, being a christian doesnt make you a klu klux klan member, yet most klan members are christians, and hold the bible as close as their torture instruments, namely a rope (if i may be so vulgar).  So why is it that these so called christians, these seemingly humble and subservient god-fearing americans, can never hold to their sacred views in practice?  do unto others as you would have them do unto you and the rest of the garbage they spew out.  All of us Atheists are who we are for a reason, and those reasons vary, but the funny thing is is that we tend to view all others as equal, until they do/say something to make them un-equal.  and even though this is a major premise of the christian faith, we all know how they only use their premises toward other christians, and not to the masses as their platforms suggest.  So here is my question for comment, since debate is pretty useless in this one sided argument, "why is it ok for christians to be christians with their multitude of sects which torture, maim, and terrorize others while hiding behind their faiths; yet those same christians are ok with vilifying all muslims and view them as terrorists"?  and i understand than im asking a bunch of atheists to comment on religious people and their views, yet i have seen this attitude spill out of the christian sects into mainstream thought and practice, both religious and non religious americans alike are guilty.  I tend to view any person as a person first, and a monster only after they exhibit monstous views or acts.  I watched the boston bombing coverage across a number of media outlets, although i watch MSNBC more than most due to their democratic leanings and (normally) non biased views.  Almost every FOX NEWS outlet was just barely holding back the "its al-queda" that was dangerously dripping from the tips of their hateful tongues, even before the pictures were released or any information actually that would show any tinge of who these mad bombers were.  And even if they were islamic, who says they are "islamic radicals"?  im sure there are christians who temporarily freak out, yet are not klan members or christian radicals, but just had a bad day or year and decided to blow some people up.  So if you would be so kind, as my fellows on this site usually are so much, to respond to my initial question buried up there somewhere, "why is it ok to be a christian and have radical psycho's in your religion and not to be a muslim who happens to just like the islamic faith"? 

i know most people here will say its not ok to be ANY religious individual, but no matter how valid our arguments are, and they ARE lol, its not the matter at hand.  from a objectively unbiased view, since you should neither be muslim nor christian and be on this site i believe, how in your views is it ok for these americans to be so biased in THEIR views of other faiths, when theirs is so fucked up internally its laughable on the point of being insane? and yes, they are insane overall, but i just want comments on this view of muslim vs christian.  thanks, ~rookie~

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Comment by Unseen on May 27, 2013 at 6:57pm

Testy? As most here will attest, I'm just being the normal everyday Unseen. Each church is multifaith? Why would a Catholic go to a multifaith church when there is a Catholic church down the road. Ditto for a Baptist. Frankly, I've never heard of a multifaith church. Do any of them have websites I can look at? 

Anyway, my point stands. We tend to think terrorist when we hear the word Muslim because of all the Islamic terrorism in the news. To say that that means we then think all Muslims are terrorists or that we even define Islam as a terroristic religion is a leap without logic.

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 27, 2013 at 7:31pm

@Keith, RE: "wow, awful testy on this memorial day are we not?" - yeah, well, Unseen gets that way when he hasn't had his - why am I making excuses? He's ALWAYS that way --

Comment by Strega on May 27, 2013 at 7:36pm

If I were to go to Afghanistan, and hand questionnaires out to the Muslims as they were leaving their Mosques, do you imagine they would not be perceiving Christians as drone-bombing civilian-killing invading murderers? 

One of the problems with all the big religions, is that they are tribal in nature, meaning, "you're either with us, or against us".

It is different in London, not because we are a nicer set of people - far from it.  However, most of us over a certain age think of terrorism as the nasty part of a metro-guerrilla war between Protestants and Catholics, thanks to the decades of violence promulgated by the IRA. I was almost blown up twice.  I missed the first explosion by about half an hour, and the second because I took the day off work.  I had friends who were not so lucky.

After the 7/7 bombing of our Underground (subway) we held a two minute silence across London for the victims.  It was really eerie because unco-ordinated by any agreement, we all left our offices and came down to street level.  We stood filling the roads defiantly, and the words we subsequently used to define that feeling, were "We are not afraid".  Muslims stood with Hindus, Christians and atheists, to show the world that London will not be intimidated - by anyone.

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 27, 2013 at 7:44pm

Wow - cool story - sounds like just the kind of thing I'd be right in the middle of, wish I'd been there --

Comment by Pope Beanie on May 27, 2013 at 9:06pm
Islam is the only religion that fulfills all of those requirements.

@Arch, isn't a religion mostly defined by people and times? I'd agree that Islam currently motivates more than other religions on life-after-death promises, but I'd also say it's largely due to oppression that already exists in middle-eastern and nearby countries.

Or are you arguing that the Koran itself (vs the Bible) is the basis of fulfilling those requirements?

Comment by Unseen on May 27, 2013 at 9:28pm

@Strega  I bet that, like me, the British find it hard to hear the word Muslim without immediately thinking about terrorist acts, while at the same time realizing that this doesn't describe the average Muslim. Why would a Muslim women shopping for groceries with her children be the first thing that comes to mind when there are so many shocking images. The humdrum doesn't come to mind first, but luckily that doesn't keep us from knowing what's normal and what's extraordinary.

Comment by Strega on May 27, 2013 at 9:51pm

I really can't speak for Britain, but I probably can for Londoners, and we see Muslim men and women going about their daily occupations all the time.  I have Muslim friends - and so I've sat in the 'woman' area in a Muslim household.  Actually, if a man comes into the woman's area, he usually fidgets like hell and feels really uncomfortable, and can't wait to get out again.  But no, I don't think Londoners feel scared of Muslims, any more than we were scared of the Irish.

There will be the kind of person who just wants to get into a fight, and that could mean any 'minority' gets targeted, so it could be they go "paki-bashing" or "gay-bashing" - it is unfortunate, but it happens.

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 27, 2013 at 11:18pm

Holo - only if I'm one too ==

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 27, 2013 at 11:19pm

Pope OXoxOX - I take it you didn't watch the video I posted:

Comment by Rick Yost on May 28, 2013 at 2:10am

I dislike all religions, but I have a definite problem with Islam. Although there are many similarities between it and Christianity, there are many basic differences that cause a chasm between the two.

Quoting here: Bernard Lewis, former Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, from his book, What Went Wrong? The clash between Islam and modernity in the Middle East:

"According to Islamic law and tradition, there were three groups of people who did not benefit from the general Muslim principle of legal and religious quality; unbelievers, slaves and women. The woman was obviously in one significant respect the worst-placed of the three.
The slave could be freed by his master; the unbeliever could at any time become a believer by his own choice, and thus end his inferiority. Only the woman was doomed forever to remain what she was..."

I have a real problem respecting or trusting a whole population of men who are so insecure in their person-hood, that they feel the need to keep their boot on the neck of the women in their society.
Although I can't put my hands on a quote for it at the moment, I seem to remember a similar problem for women being presented in the Old Testament. Kinda funny huh?


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