Muslims vs. Christians....the american bias continues...

Isn't it funny how americans, especially of the christian sect, like to view all muslims as "islamic radicals"? in light of the recent events in Boston, of which i am whole-heartedly sympathetic toward (yet we ATHEISTS HAVE NO HEART NOR MORALS i am told), i am drawn back to this argument of which i have heard others in the major media outlets sometimes talk about.  When a christian, especially an american christian, thinks of a muslim, they USUALLY think of them as an islamic radical who will blow anyone and everyone up at the slightest provocation, or no provocation at all.  They tend to think of any muslim as a terrorist, and to belong to an islamic sect is parallel to being a terrorist.  Yet when viewed in reverse, being a christian doesnt make you a klu klux klan member, yet most klan members are christians, and hold the bible as close as their torture instruments, namely a rope (if i may be so vulgar).  So why is it that these so called christians, these seemingly humble and subservient god-fearing americans, can never hold to their sacred views in practice?  do unto others as you would have them do unto you and the rest of the garbage they spew out.  All of us Atheists are who we are for a reason, and those reasons vary, but the funny thing is is that we tend to view all others as equal, until they do/say something to make them un-equal.  and even though this is a major premise of the christian faith, we all know how they only use their premises toward other christians, and not to the masses as their platforms suggest.  So here is my question for comment, since debate is pretty useless in this one sided argument, "why is it ok for christians to be christians with their multitude of sects which torture, maim, and terrorize others while hiding behind their faiths; yet those same christians are ok with vilifying all muslims and view them as terrorists"?  and i understand than im asking a bunch of atheists to comment on religious people and their views, yet i have seen this attitude spill out of the christian sects into mainstream thought and practice, both religious and non religious americans alike are guilty.  I tend to view any person as a person first, and a monster only after they exhibit monstous views or acts.  I watched the boston bombing coverage across a number of media outlets, although i watch MSNBC more than most due to their democratic leanings and (normally) non biased views.  Almost every FOX NEWS outlet was just barely holding back the "its al-queda" that was dangerously dripping from the tips of their hateful tongues, even before the pictures were released or any information actually that would show any tinge of who these mad bombers were.  And even if they were islamic, who says they are "islamic radicals"?  im sure there are christians who temporarily freak out, yet are not klan members or christian radicals, but just had a bad day or year and decided to blow some people up.  So if you would be so kind, as my fellows on this site usually are so much, to respond to my initial question buried up there somewhere, "why is it ok to be a christian and have radical psycho's in your religion and not to be a muslim who happens to just like the islamic faith"? 

i know most people here will say its not ok to be ANY religious individual, but no matter how valid our arguments are, and they ARE lol, its not the matter at hand.  from a objectively unbiased view, since you should neither be muslim nor christian and be on this site i believe, how in your views is it ok for these americans to be so biased in THEIR views of other faiths, when theirs is so fucked up internally its laughable on the point of being insane? and yes, they are insane overall, but i just want comments on this view of muslim vs christian.  thanks, ~rookie~

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Comment by Pope Beanie on May 26, 2013 at 8:32pm

Well Unseen, I think my "Crusades" cliche beats your eggs cliche. But these are matters of degrees.

So, too, are there degrees of adherence to Geneva Conventions. How about Gitmo? My point being that we, who claim to have the high ground on morality, are not speaking from integrity as much as we could. We, too, often compromise our morals and values, at the cost of other, innocents, and then claim we were justified.

Comment by Unseen on May 26, 2013 at 10:41pm

@Keith Konecny 

as a matter of FACT, i querried over 667(meaning 668 lol) christians from 3 local TOLEDO OHIO super churches, and hid the question among others concerning faith.

So, these super do they divide up in terms of denominations? How many Catholics, how many Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopals, Baptists, etc.?

Comment by Logicallunatic on May 27, 2013 at 8:05am

Not all Muslims are terrorists but quite a lot of terrorists are Muslim. I guess that makes me a racist-crusading-Islamophobe. 

Comment by Unseen on May 27, 2013 at 9:44am

@Keith Konecny

What I was getting at is that when you say "super churches" (I'll leave you to define what that means), I suspect you selected fairly conservative fundamentalist churches.

Also, I suppose I have to admit that when I hear the word "Muslim" it is the terrorism that comes to mind first, but so what? It doesn't follow that I believe all Muslims are terrorists. In fact, I know most are not. So what's your point?

Comment by Keith Konecny on May 27, 2013 at 5:44pm

you made my point in your comment, when you say that when you think of muslims your first thought springs toward terrorist. thats all this whole post was about, so thank you for your imput. i look at people as people first, until your actions define you, regardless of your personal beliefs. it goes deeper than religion also, it goes to the heart of americans feeling they are superior to everyone and everything. whether thats true ill leave to others, but it opens a whole  new ball game of questions.

Comment by Unseen on May 27, 2013 at 5:52pm

I call shenanigans. Isn't it you who wrote...

When a christian, especially an american christian, thinks of a muslim, they USUALLY think of them as an islamic radical who will blow anyone and everyone up at the slightest provocation, or no provocation at all. 

I did say that that thought does come to mind first, but that that isn't how I define Muslims and I'm well aware that most of them are not terrorists. So actually, even though you want to deny it through the big lie technique, I was contradicting the point you made there.

BTW, you still haven't told me about the religious demographics of the Christians you supposedly polled. Also, I'm curious about your methods. How did you gather your information? Did you pass questionnaires up the pews or stand outside the church and stop people exiting? How many responses did you base your conclusion on?

Comment by Keith Konecny on May 27, 2013 at 6:41pm

wow, awful testy on this memorial day are we not? they are multi faith churches which seemed the only way to go, i wont say which ones although i did say the region.  and yes it was exit polling done by high school kids paid to act like they belonged to the church itself, so as to get as true a response as possible.  i asked a range of holy trinity questions, household religion questions, tv programming questions and the like.  they either answered immediately or a few mailed them to a po box. does that help? i would like to say more, but then the writing im doing would tend to be tedious and unsatisfying, since it is part of my underlying premise.  and i only wrote this above to get responses and spark debate, which is what i meant earlier by thanks.  so thanks.

Comment by _Robert_ on May 27, 2013 at 6:52pm

"You see son, many years ago the religious killed each other off and us atheists inherited the earth."

Comment by Unseen on May 27, 2013 at 6:57pm

Testy? As most here will attest, I'm just being the normal everyday Unseen. Each church is multifaith? Why would a Catholic go to a multifaith church when there is a Catholic church down the road. Ditto for a Baptist. Frankly, I've never heard of a multifaith church. Do any of them have websites I can look at? 

Anyway, my point stands. We tend to think terrorist when we hear the word Muslim because of all the Islamic terrorism in the news. To say that that means we then think all Muslims are terrorists or that we even define Islam as a terroristic religion is a leap without logic.

Comment by Strega on May 27, 2013 at 7:36pm

If I were to go to Afghanistan, and hand questionnaires out to the Muslims as they were leaving their Mosques, do you imagine they would not be perceiving Christians as drone-bombing civilian-killing invading murderers? 

One of the problems with all the big religions, is that they are tribal in nature, meaning, "you're either with us, or against us".

It is different in London, not because we are a nicer set of people - far from it.  However, most of us over a certain age think of terrorism as the nasty part of a metro-guerrilla war between Protestants and Catholics, thanks to the decades of violence promulgated by the IRA. I was almost blown up twice.  I missed the first explosion by about half an hour, and the second because I took the day off work.  I had friends who were not so lucky.

After the 7/7 bombing of our Underground (subway) we held a two minute silence across London for the victims.  It was really eerie because unco-ordinated by any agreement, we all left our offices and came down to street level.  We stood filling the roads defiantly, and the words we subsequently used to define that feeling, were "We are not afraid".  Muslims stood with Hindus, Christians and atheists, to show the world that London will not be intimidated - by anyone.


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