You'll likely all have heard this argument at some point. It's a classic.

Outlined rather well by http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm, it goes something like this:
"(1) Person X, a well-known atheist, was morally inferior to the rest of us.
(2) Therefore, God exists."

It's just poetic, isn't it?

So... Assuming Hitler was an Atheist* - does this shed any light on the existence of God? Well, no.

There are a few separate points to address here, and I'll take them in turn.

If a bad person believes something, it is wrong because they are bad.

Imagine that no-one knew what water was made of, chemically. Then imagine an utter arsehole suggesting that hydrogen and oxygen played a part, and that he could prove it using reliable, empirical data.

Would the data - the real-world physical indicators of credibility - lose weight because the person presenting them was a bit of a dick? No. Those two things are as unrelated as a person's telephone number and hair colour - i.e one thing simply doesn't effect the other.

If you're unconvinced, consider the flip-side. If a really nice, charity donating, community supporting, Bible-bashing Christian attributed their honest nature to a sincere worship of what they imagine their God to be like, would it shed any light on the question of the existence of that God? Again, no - the same way that the entirely subjective cuteness of kittens doesn't either.

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Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on February 25, 2013 at 5:33pm

Thanks man, I prefer to reason in a civilised manner with some humor and wit to point out the absurdities of certain religious beliefs like becoming an immortal when they die or riding around on the backs of dinosaurs etc. However I can use the heavy duty weapons when needed to protect the children minds against indoctrination or to fight against the oppression of individual freedoms in other countries.

I just had a freaky thought. What if Ann and WLC got it on?  Quel timbre!

Here is a good debate...and yes Hitchens is in it too.....with Ann Widdecombe on the other team.

Comment by Carnun Marcus-Page on February 25, 2013 at 6:00pm

Well put. I agree :)

Bloody hell Reg, why would you even suggest that?! The sound D:
(The baby would probably be some sort of Jesus2.0 though... It'd have to be another virgin birth I'm afraid :P )

Ooh. I love that one. Seen it a few times. With Stephen Fry too :)

Comment by Marc on February 25, 2013 at 6:15pm
It was a poor attempt at irony. I can't even get a conversation started on the historical documentation of Hitler's theism because the conversation always becomes why I am trying to deny Hitler's atheism, and not owning up to it and accept him as a member of my club.
Comment by Carnun Marcus-Page on February 25, 2013 at 6:18pm

Then I apologise, mate :P

You need to make it just a touch more obvious...

Comment by Codie L Miller on February 25, 2013 at 9:47pm

Yea hitler stated MANY times his subscription to religion. Whether he was doing so for mass support or genuinely believed it doesn't really matter. 

Comment by SteveInCO on February 26, 2013 at 8:34am

Here is a good debate...and yes Hitchens is in it too.....with Ann Widdecombe on the other team.

Quite possibly the best pwnage from a debate I have ever seen, Ann and that bishop must have wanted to slit their wrists afterwards as they had done their best to defend what they thought was the bastion of goodness and light--and failed miserably.  Did it cause them to rethink their assessment, for even an instant?  One can hope... but probably not.

Comment by Unseen on February 26, 2013 at 6:41pm

So is the Dalai Lama.

Comment by dr howard davis on July 24, 2013 at 7:50pm

Actually, Hitler said he was a 'Catholic and would always remain so. 'He told the director of one of his documentries that he 'believed in God but not in the way others do. 'It would seem that he meant God to him was a force in the universe. He also said Christianity was' too weak' that what was needed was a' militant form of religion similar to Islam.'

Stalin an atheist referred to Christ several times in table talk ,but, of course, did not believe in any kind of a God. Both were evil and demonstrated this as well all know.

It's the mind that can contrive evil regardless of intellectual belief. There have been foul leaders that believed and those that didn't believe.

Comment by H3xx on July 25, 2013 at 12:51am

On the issue of Hitler being and Atheist, we don't know if he was an atheist. But it doesn't matter, because he controlled his masses with religious rhetoric. It was the belief in god, and the belief that god wanted the blond haired and blue eyed Germans to kill Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks and every other variation of human beings all together. How many right wing assholes turned out to be closeted gays? How many of them where fire and brimstone televangelists? You think someone can't lie in order to control the masses?

You can't control a crowd with an Atheistic speech. It really just doesn't work. I think Dawkins said it best, "Indeed, Organizing Atheists has been compared to herding cats, because they tend to think independently and WILL NOT conform to authority." You can herd sheep, but you can't herd cats.

Comment by Unseen on July 25, 2013 at 9:52am

@dr howard davis - It's the mind that can contrive evil regardless of intellectual belief. There have been foul leaders that believed and those that didn't believe.

Religion is very good at justifying evil acts. Science and logic not so much.

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