Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens

hi there friends. i am an ex athiest and im a putting togethter a book/blog for christians about understanding and then saving athiests. I PROMISE, I AM NOT TRYING TO SAVE YOU! but i would greatly appreciate your input.

like i said i used to be an athiest. actually i was more of an anti-christian. i was very thorough wile compiling my arsenal of anti-christian material, and was very articulate when fighting christians. i had a long list of great arguments against christianity, but i could use more.

lets face it. alot of christians are annoying, i agree, but the big idea here is that most christians have absolutely no concept of life without god. so they dont understand athiesim at all. one of the purposes of my book is to illustrate that athiests are not all terrible satanists. that alot of them are actually really good hearted people.

if you are willing to help me out i would appreciate it. if not, feel free to tell me to go to hell lol... please respond to the following 2 statements/questions

what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically????

what is the most annoying thing about christians? or what do you dislike about christians???? 


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Comment by Colleen on January 19, 2013 at 8:10pm

Well said Cara Coleen.


As to your first question, I see no point in distinguishing between God and Jesus.  To me, they are just characters in stories.  I also see no point in formulating arguments against something that does not exist.  I am not against god or jesus existing.  I simply find naturalistic explanations more compelling when thinking critically about the claims made by religions.

As for your second question, I do not dislike christians.  They, among others, are my family, friends, coworkers, clients, and neighbors.  I do, however, worry that blind faith in anything sometimes leads us away from looking at very real consequences we must all face here and now regardless of what we believe.  I worry that hate is being wrapped up with a pretty bow and sold as moral and true.  I worry that privileges are being confused for rights, secularism for persecution, and our democracy for mob rule.

While I am sure there is a market among christians for books on saving atheists and I appreciate you dispelling the idea that atheists are terrible people and satan worshipers, I would like to ask you to reconsider the purpose of the book.  If you set out to save us, you have already lost.  As you see here, it puts us on the defensive.  I'm always happy to meet new people, hear their stories, exchange ideas and information, and make new friends...and no we don't always have to agree.  However, if there's an ulterior motive or if the person is disingenuous, I'm rather quick to move on.

In any case, take care and I hope you find what you're looking for in your endeavors.

Comment by Geoff on January 19, 2013 at 11:06pm

Cameron, Why do people such as yourself (religious folks) feel the need to convert people into thinking the same way you do or adopting the same philosophy you have?   Is it due to insecurity?  Is that elaborate imaginary existence you have constructed in your head that threatened by the fact that some of us just don't need it or buy into it?  Can't you accept that there are some people that have listened to all the religious doctrines and have examined them and have found them to be illogical or at the very least unnecessary?   Do you understand that all civilizations have invented religions to either comfort the anxiety of the unknown or control and subjugate others for political purposes?   Would it baffle you to know that the basis of your faith, original sin, seems patently absurd and offends my sense of fairness?  Would you be surprised to learn that I take great pride in thinking for myself and not blindly accepting the opinions of others?  Are you capable of understanding that it means more to me to lead a good life because it is the right thing to do than because I am afraid of your imaginary despot.  How can you possibly not see that an all powerful and omniscient being  wouldn't care if I worshiped him or her or it?  Don't you realize that as we learn more and more about our existence we need fantasies like gods less and less?

Come on dude, in the immortal words of S.L. Jackson, "Wake the Fuck Up".

or not.  I really don't care what you think.

Comment by Unseen on January 19, 2013 at 11:49pm

Cameron, Why do people such as yourself (religious folks) feel the need to convert people into thinking the same way you do or adopting the same philosophy you have?   Is it due to insecurity?

Well, gee, I'm an atheist and I know the answer to that one. Christianity is an evangelical religion, which means it's a Christian's duty to spread the faith. Islam similarly so. Judaism and Hinduism, not so much.

Comment by Gregg R Thomas on January 20, 2013 at 12:47am


Go to Heaven and quickly please.  I hear there's a couple of pedophile priests going on Monday maybe you can catch a ride.

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on January 20, 2013 at 1:38am
@Cam - Mistake No. 1 - Atheists don't believe in anything supernatural, and in that category comes your jesus, therefore don't need saving from figment of man's imagination.

Mistake 2. Your terminology belies you, you have never been an Atheist, You can jump up and down all you like in protestation, doesn't work.

Mistake No. 3 - No, god, no jesus, therefore no argument.

Mistake No. 4 - You, as all christians do, cherry pick. Jesus is god, god is jesus, with a ghost thrown in -

Matthew 5:17-18
Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 
2 Peter 20-21 NAB -
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."
So, if you follow jesus, you follow god, can't cherry pick on that one.
I do feel sorry for christians who may actually be good people, being taken in, and leading their lives in fear.
But the people I do detest are the ones who hide their crimes behind cloth and cross, and make laws up as they go, especially about women, and that is another story.
I detest the people who cannot possibly believe in a god or jesus, and commit the most heinous of crimes, raping of children, taking the money of poor, superstitious, downtrodden people, while the perpetrators of these crimes live in luxury.
And the most horrifying thing about all these crimes, is that christians aren't screaming about these heinous crimes against humanity.
Comment by James Cox on January 20, 2013 at 2:28am

Consequently, I do not believe you, has been seconded.

This ploy seems little over done. An ex-atheist seeking material for a book to help theists argue againist atheists? Hum. Why do you bother, surely your own experience, assuming that you were paying attention, could have enlightened you. Did returning back to the fold, cause the death of brain cells? A similar 'return' for me, would have involved some lose of function.

I do have to thank you for such an attempt, maybe atheists are still useful as a library of knowledge or insight, should they desire to play....    

Comment by MikeLong on January 20, 2013 at 4:56am

I agree - you were never an atheist. If you were, please give us details of your conversion. Here you are, an adult, rational, thinking atheist and, all of a sudden, you decide that, yes, there DOES exist a magical, invisible daddy in the sky after all? I don't think so. What happened? Did God appear to you in a dream? Did God intervene at a critical moment in your life - even though, at the time, you didn't believe he existed? Or did you examine your understanding of the universe, decide there was stuff you couldn't explain, and deduce that, therefore, GODDIDIT? Or did you do a thorough, rational analysis and determine that, on the basis of empirical evidence, a magic, invisible daddy in the sky was the only reasonable conclusion?

What irritates me most? The Bible. The infantile circular argument that God HAD to be the author of the Bible. It says so in the Bible - and God wrote the Bible so it must be true. I've challenged many Christians to explain why some materials written dozens or hundreds of years after the death of this mythical Jesus, materials which clearly demonstrate NO coherent morality, materials clearly authored by Bronze-Age men (none of whom had nearly as accurate an idea of the nature of things than the average (secular) 9-year-old today) should form the basis of any religion. Their response to my challenge? - Silence. So PLEASE tell why YOU used this Bible as a central argument against your Christian opponents when it DESERVES no more credence in answering questions about life than a Superman comic.

Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on January 20, 2013 at 8:40am

1. Jesus was illiterate, not omniscient.  He wrote nothing down.  He didn't even dictate his thoughts to someone who could write them down.  He failed to choose even one disciple who could write down his thoughts during his ministry.  Such a manuscript could have prevented the death and torture of millions.

2. The "annoying" characteristics of Christians have nothing to do with whether any of their religious doctrines are correct, but I'll play.

The most annoying characteristic of Christians is the historically well entrenched habit of killing, maiming, torturing, bullying, shunning, economically ruining, marginalizing or buttonholing people, including other Christians, who do not believe exactly the same things that they believe to be true.  And then smugly insist that this is the height of morality.

Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on January 20, 2013 at 9:03am

The most annoying thing about books written by Christians who claim to have once been an atheist is that their books indicate that they know very little about the atheism they claim to have professed and very little about the flaws in the religion they have come to enthusiastically espouse.  Their type of former atheism has little in common with those who use the term to describe themselves.  It more closely resembles either apa-theism (not interested in religion) or igna-theism (general ignorance of religion). It has little resemblance to rational atheism - the thought out position on whether there is likely to be a god or not and whether the specific god of the person's upbringing and culture is likely to exist. 
The ploy of claiming to be something that the self-labeled members of a group do not accept as similar to themselves is a good way to start off at a disadvantage.  It's like telling a group of practicing homosexuals that you used to be a homosexual like them, on the basis of having experienced the usual temporary adolescent crushes on same sex friends. 
In other words, we real atheists do not identify with your form of "atheism" so we are unlikely to be moved by your argument that you used to be just like us and, by implication, we can therefore become just like you are now.  There is overwhelming evidence that rational atheism is pretty much a one-way street.  In order to regain the beliefs you lost through a prolonged process of thinking and examination of a wide variety of challenging material a person would have to forget all of what they learned during this extensive process.  Alzheimers dementia, seizure disorders or other kinds of brain impairment might do it but the maintenance of a health brain is sufficient inoculation against such a reversion.
If you want actual atheists to take your book seriously, instead of being alienated by the cover blurb, you will need to drop the pretense of ever being someone like them.

Comment by Obfuskation on January 20, 2013 at 11:54am

I’m a little late to the party on this one, but I’ll throw my two cents worth in.  I have a couple of comments to make on this thread, so I’ll keep this post to just answering CAMERON W’s questions.

what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically????

My foundational position regarding the Christian myth is the same as that regarding all other religious myths; a complete lack of any evidence for the existence of the divine being that is being discussed at the moment.  Where Christianity is concerned, all you need to do is read the bible from cover to cover to understand how savage and ignorant the whole system is.

what is the most annoying thing about christians? or what do you dislike about christians????

I don’t “find Christians annoying”, nor do I dislike them.  I interact with many more Christians than I do atheists, and most of them are people that I am proud to count as friends and coworkers.  My problem is with the behavior of a small group of zealots who wish to push their beliefs into the public sphere where they don’t belong (ie. Creationism taught in schools, assistance programs tied to proselytizing).  What people have rolling around in their heads is their business; it’s stupid and harmful behaviors that I dislike.

There you go.  Good luck with your book.


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