Being an Atheist in a Muslim Community

There are lots of minorities in many countries. But these minorities were mostly based on etnic and/or religious groups. However being an Atheist, detaches you from the society based on your own thoughts or decisions. In a Muslim community, religion is very powerful in daily life. It seperates believers from non believers in a cunning sense. For instance; obtaining a proper position in a governmental/state organization, or even in private companies (because of their political status) depends on your religious expression.Another important part is the role of family. Since 99.9 percent of the population is Muslim, your parents are Muslim and most of them would kill themselves rather than watching you become a non believer. So they will teach you everything in a commanding and rewarding fashion. 

This lifestyle leaves you only one choice; having two identities. First one is your formal identity, its like the way you talk or act in your job; and your hidden personal identity. You have to be really careful otherwise you will get discharged from your community. You cannot find a proper job, even your family will be really harsh on you.

We are in an ironic age, I can discuss Quantum Physics, determinism here and I cannot discuss even the basic principles of Islam in any kind of platform in my home, job or rest of my social life.

In Islam there were no reforms unlike Christianity so it is well preserved/protected. Muslim people are very proud to tell this. In fact, it is proves how corrupt it is. 1400 years of preservation gives you nothing but a Conservative mind.

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Comment by Cem USLU on January 15, 2013 at 3:47am

If I try to prove the non existence of God, it is as silly as searching clues and relating them with God. As I wrote before The idea of God is what we should discuss, not the God itself. Why do we have to define something to believe? We don't believe our family,friends but someone we don't know anything about. Even assume God exists, don't I have a right to disobey?

Comment by Gallup's Mirror on January 15, 2013 at 9:10am

He said that no grounds exist for the antagonism, not that there is no antagonism. 

Then he's still wrong. The Bible tells us the sky is a dome to which the stars are affixed as signs for mankind. The scientific method tells us stars are massive spheres of luminous plasma, formed by gravity, and millions of light-years years distant. That is sufficient 'logical grounds' to oppose and resist Biblical cosmology. 

From what I understand, it was in the Enlightenment that scientists started to apply science to Christianity, and Christianity shot itself in the foot by agreeing to fight back on scientific grounds. 

Christianity fought back by murdering thousands of "witches and sorcerers", some as young as 2 years old, in torture chambers located throughout Europe. The Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of Witches) was the handbook for witch-hunters and Inquisitors for hundreds of years in medieval Europe. Torture and murder have fallen out of fashion (at least in Europe and the Americas) but the antagonism is alive and well. 


Comment by Kairan Nierde on January 15, 2013 at 2:18pm

Cem-first I had to realize there is no God, then I could see that there is the Idea of God which is much more important to understand.  I think that why theism persists today has more to do with the Idea of God than the merits of any religion's version of God.  Why do we seem to need something more than our family and friends to believe in?

Mr_Swami--are you talking about living in a Muslim community in America? I have no idea what that is like.  But if you're just talking about the average experience of atheism in America, I have to disagree, because it is very unlikely that you will be killed in most communities in America for disbelief.

Comment by Val Wuthrich on January 15, 2013 at 2:46pm
That's the way I understand it too, Gallup's Mirror. The schism of religion with (science and reason) started when we reasoned and realized we aren't at the center of Gods creation. At first the Judea/Christian theocrats couldn't reconcile their bible with a new world view that said we weren't at the center of God's creation. Now we know how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of things! At least some know! I will leave it at that.
Comment by Strega on January 15, 2013 at 3:05pm

I clicked on your link, Gallup's Mirror - if I was a parent I think I'd be having palpitations.  The only bit I liked, was:

"It's a shame," says Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, "because if these standards are actually introduced into the curriculum and shape how biology students will be trained for the next several years, those kids are in for a big shock when they go to college, because they're going to learn that what they had been taught by their teachers in high schools is a lot of rubbish."

Yup, 'bout sums it up :)

Comment by Cem USLU on January 16, 2013 at 2:59am

Kairan, of course you have your own realizations, however the concept of God is where we should start our debate. People have to understand that it is pure nerd movement. In practical life in order to achieve success you have work as a team, and of course team has a leader. If you are leader and your group starts to question your decisions, your leadership and as a result whole group will fail. To prevent this you create your dogmas to prevent your group to question your decisions. If you want to apply this rule to massive population, you must have constitution, religion etc. Now all of this looks familiar, right? 

If you try to prove that God does not exist you will eventually fail. However if you understand why people created "God", everything seem more understandable, I guess. 

You cannot reach zero if you count down from infinity, but if you start to count from zero -at least- you have some number in your hand. God is infinity, and we have to count from zero.

Comment by Cem USLU on January 16, 2013 at 3:00am

herd not nerd :D

Comment by Gallup's Mirror on January 16, 2013 at 4:43am

You cannot reach zero if you count down from infinity

∞... 3, 2, 1, 0

Comment by Cem USLU on January 16, 2013 at 4:54am

what are these dots, can you define them. Nope. Why? bec its undetermined.

In turkey we say "if you have nothing to say wise, don't try to say smt. o/w you'll look stupid"

Comment by Cem USLU on January 16, 2013 at 4:57am

you cannot prove that God does not exist. don't try to. you dont have to. you dont need to. On the other hand, you can prove that "believing" something without any scientific evidence, is stupid.


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