Totally Braced to be Crucified for This....

I personally agree with T-foot on this.

Misogyny is a real problem.  In a world where rape is still used by militaries to demoralize a country's people, how could this be denied?  In a world where girls are kidnapped and forced into prostitution in droves, how could this be denied?  In a world where women's struggle for equal pay and reproductive rights are still an issue in first world countries, how could this be denied?

Do some posters online go too far with sexist comments and other stupidities?  No doubt.  Do some atheist men see women as objects, or what have you?  Absolutely.  Don't think I'm defending these types.  I'm merely suggesting that perhaps we are looking at this and seeing this as the general behaviors when they are in fact the anomolies.

I've been on many atheist forums and chatrooms these past four years.  I love it!  I've never met such cool people in my life!  Our own chatroom here on Think Atheist is awesome!  Great company!  There is a greater percentage of men than women in these forums, just as we see in society.  I've discussed, debated, and shared alot with these guys.  Does the topic of sex come up?  Duh....we're adult humans.  And sex is a fun topic for most of us!  But I've never, EVER felt, in the hundreds of forum situations I've been in, that if I felt uncomfortable or uninterested in those types of discussions, I would be ostracized or criticized for saying so.  I have found that 90% or greater of atheist men I've encountered online are courteous, gentlemanly, and intellectually engaging.  Personally, I find it insulting that these wonderful men are being lumped together and branded sexist, walking penises that only want women atheists around for one thing. And if you can't see the irony in how they are being perceived, then I'm sorry for you.

There are REAL women's issues out there.  Feminism is a REAL stance.  But I can't even allow myself to consider myself a feminist, who fights for equality and human rights for women worldwide, when feminism is now beginning to mean "how DARE you think I'm attractive as well as intelligent" or "you asked me out on a date because you were interested in me?  YOU PIG!".  THIS is not feminism....this is stupidity. 

Just my observation.

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Comment by Kir Komrik on January 8, 2013 at 7:19pm

Hey Kris,

Part one:

"Where is it that this occurs... "

I think what she is saying is that the rules seems to imply it. The rule against fake jewelry is one good example. I don't even know what that means. If I can't even decipher why that is offensive there is an implication that my relationship with women is defective somehow.

"and is it's frequency in 'feminists' that much higher than the broad brush judgements and hypocrisy found within all groups?"

[my quote button is not working]

My own experience is that the views espoused by the women in these videos are fringe views within the feminist movement. I can second your observation that I've never seen this kind of prejudice in my own life.

- kk

Comment by kris feenstra on January 8, 2013 at 7:38pm

"I've never seen this kind of prejudice in my own life."

Ah, so it's not just me. I've encountered it a little bit, but who hasn't encountered some prejudice in life for one thing or another?

The fake jewelry thing refers to an incident with Amy Davis Roth (I had to look it up), and naturally, there is more than one side to the story. I don't know if such a rule actually exists anywhere, and I don't have enough info on Amy's position to really take it into account. This is a different side of the coin, which no doubt has it's own biases: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2012/08/16/the-campaign-aga...

Comment by Kir Komrik on January 8, 2013 at 7:47pm

Hey Kris,

I think most men have never seen this kind of prejudice, though I can't speak categorically. Its just a suspicion. Usually when I get to know activists I find that they treat me as an individual first.

Thanks for the tip as I had no idea what they were talking about.

- kk

Comment by Ed on January 8, 2013 at 10:11pm

In my neck of the woods it is still not fashionable for a female to straighten her spine and speak out about living in a man's world. It's sad but true. Some of the younger generation are more vocal but there remains an unspoken code of conduct that seems to be expected by the patriarchs in charge. Before marrying I dated a feminist or two in the big city and we got along just peachy. Uh, well, there was the one time that I opened the car door on her side for her and she politely reprimanded me. It was at that point that I almost felt the need to cut the evening short by explaining the difference between placing women on a pedestal and just being a nice guy who still believes chivalry has it place. And I believe this is a crucial point that needs to be understood. Acts of kindness and consideration should never be interpreted as a character flaw or sexist. I can't believe there are many women who truly would be offended by my valet actions.

Comment by kOrsan on January 9, 2013 at 12:51pm

Pretty good too.

Comment by Dr.Grixis on January 9, 2013 at 5:10pm

We're not crucifying anyone these days, nailing someone to a cross takes so much work, you know. Even with a handy nailgun you still have to find the right size nail and dial the right amount of pressure otherwise you just completely shatter the wrist. Took me at least 5 internet trolls to figure that one out! And then there's the blood and the screaming, you can't use the garage for 4 days and you have to keep all the scavengers away at night. It's easy to make jokes about crucifying people, but it really is hard work.

Comment by _Robert_ on January 9, 2013 at 8:00pm

Had a "stare down" last night with a big raccoon. I think he won.

Comment by Unseen on January 9, 2013 at 10:48pm

As an aside (since we're talking critters), I have a cat, and cats are bad enough. It's amazing what they get into and they are largely untrainable, too. She'll get off the kitchen counter if I yell at her, but I know she'll do it again. And when I'm not around, all bets are off, I'm sure. The other day I found her with one of her front paws deep down in my toaster. Now I have to remember to keep my toaster unplugged when not in use.

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on January 10, 2013 at 1:59am
It only took me two internet trolls to learn two things, sound proof the garage, and cover walls and floor with plastic. Works a treat, and stops nosy neighbours in their tracks.
Comment by Steven G-man on January 10, 2013 at 3:35am

Hey Suzanne,

I get what your brother has been saying, I myself have been run out of a 4 yr program by what I feel where anti-male feminists. I was just trying to be a Nurse, and let me tell you, I have been SH*T on at every placement, and slandered IMHO at every turn by the females in charge. Nothing says equal rights like having a nurse tell your instructor you're lazy because you sat down for a 2 minute rest while every other female student sits for a half hour doing notes. At least I figured out why the 4 male nurses in my family told me not to entire it as a profession.

The thing that gets me though, I have a PRIME example as the extreme feminists in positions of power can do over men, an example that personally had me on suicide watch for weeks, that had my parents and my girlfriend scared for me and crying every night (which I later found out). An example that to this day, the thought of it makes me, 6 foot tall and 270lbs, break down and cry for an hour shaking, AND I cannot share because of a non-disclosure paper I had signed under duress.

These anti-males (A-M) broke me in a way I never thought I could be hurt by. I mean I was bullied my entire life, but the closest thing I can describe it as was emotional and psychological rape, which I have said several times (took me until 2 months ago until i found a way to describe how I felt, and this happened 2 years ago). I find it interesting that what they, the A-Ms, claim males do to keep females subjugated I feel was done to me. Due to these A-Ms, I now found a new title to describe myself: I am aggressively Athiest, aggressively anti-thiest, aggressively equal rights, and now aggressively anti-feminist.

Now I hear the groan of my lady friend, for once I am aggressive about something, I will argue and debate and fight for or against until I am dragged away.

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