Comment by Kairan Nierde on January 7, 2013 at 10:18pm

Ben--it's not sexist at all to ask a woman out on a date.  The only situation I could imagine that might be inappropriate would be if you were asking out a woman who feels obligated to date you because you hold some power over her...like a boss asking out his employee.  One thing about feminism is that there is no central feminist organization, so, you get a wide variety of 'theory' from many different sources.  There is a lot of bunk out there.  Even the most visible feminists ("leaders") are up for critique.  There is no official version of feminism. 

Unseen--could you elaborate on "feminist mathematics" and "feminist metaphysics?"  Where did you hear about this strangeness? I have never encountered such ideas. 

 

Comment by Unseen on January 7, 2013 at 10:25pm

Just google "feminist mathematics." 

Comment by Kairan Nierde on January 7, 2013 at 10:57pm

Le google has generous results on "feminist metaphysics" but not so much on "feminist mathematics."  Feminist metaphysics makes sense to me since we often view the world through the lense of patriarchy.  Feminist mathematics would only make sense to me if it were in involved with creating more inclusive methods for education...I don't see how the substance of math could have been/could be influenced by gender.

Psychology Today: The Pros and Cons of Feminism

This article is a tidy run-down that contrasts the difference between social justice-oriented feminism and four negative forms of feminism.

Stanford Encylopedia of Philosophy - Feminist Metaphysics

I found the first paragraph of this article very informative.  Makes a lot of sense.

 

 

Comment by Unseen on January 8, 2013 at 12:01am

The last sentence of the first paragraph tells me that so-called "feminist metaphysics" is really a sociological discussion, not a truly metaphysical or philosophical one, except perhaps in the context of a philosophy of the social sciences. Metaphysics seeks ONE answer to the nature of reality, not one for men and one for women.

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on January 8, 2013 at 1:48am

am a feminist, and I have felt, say for the last ten years, that feminism was being hijacked by women who hated men. This was not how feminism started. Control over one's fertility, not to get the sack when one married, the opportunity to get the best education one can, and then the best job one can, using that education.

I know that women around the world, need men to stand up for them in whatever scenario, as is what is happening in India when the woman was raped and died. Nothing will change unless women take the help that is needed and is imperative, in the struggle against rampant misogyny, as it is with the Islamic evil.

The day that flirting is considered Politically Incorrect, we are going to be done out of a lot of fun. I want women to be strong, and to be able to tell a bloke to fuck off, if need be, but to also treat men with respect. There are a lot of really good men around, and there are a lot of bitchy, controlling, manipulating cows around, too.

I wonder how many men on this site have been done over by women?

Feminism to me, means equality in education, jobs, pay etc. Other than that, have huge respect for men in all the jobs they do, that I for one, could not do. All the dirty jobs, all the back breaking work that men do.

I am not married, but shacked up with a bloke, and have been called a tart by a xian - luv it, and said they should try it some time.

As RobertPiano has said, men and women are really different, can cause problems sometimes, especially if Robert pisses his girlfriend off, while she is tying him up :)and it can take a while to find the right one, or as right as it can be....understand the differences, and both sides can live happily together.

So, Kim, onward and upward against the women who hate men, I have argued this with women, 'cause we need the backing of our male friends and lovers.

Does the topic of sex come up - I have had some doozy conversations about sex - it's all about the learning curve of what makes the opposite sex tick. Viva le Difference.

Comment by archaeopteryx on January 8, 2013 at 3:54am

Naaah, Kim, not to worry, we haven't crucified anyone since - how long has it been guys --?

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on January 8, 2013 at 5:34am

Well, actually, I think you did Archy, fairly recently too. I think his name was...Dave.

Comment by Unseen on January 8, 2013 at 9:43am

Suzanne, you might enjoy the Facebook group, Feminism Is For Everybody, a non-man hating feminist group with both men and women in it. Several of the women are now or have been sex workers, most typically nude dancers.

Comment by Danny Sanchez on January 8, 2013 at 10:16am

I think you braced yourself for nothing Kim. I was very interested to read a comment with an opposing view but everyone here seems to agree with you and Thunderfoot. I loved the video Nate posted. It was a perspective I had not really thought of before.

Comment by archaeopteryx on January 8, 2013 at 11:25am

@Suz - ah yes, how quickly they fade from memory --

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