Comment by jared manley on December 24, 2012 at 1:11am

@ James not an attack btw... just sayin maybe not the best comparison judging by the fact that some ladies out there are traded for goats and what not...

Comment by Adam on December 24, 2012 at 1:23am

Unfortunately is a phenomena that occurs everywhere in the world. In Muslims countries women are held very tightly in their role in society by men so we don't hear much of it. However the problem arises is the fact that many of these rapes go unheard of because the situation many of these women are put into. Most of the time woman is blamed on the rape and families tend to disown their own daughters as now they are seen as "unclean" or "not pure". 

The Burqa is NOT part of Islamic laws. The Hijab is. The burqa is a nonsensical Arab traditional cultural garment for women that was been fused into Islamic societies.

The quran says 

O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle."

Qur'an Surah/Chapter Al-Ahzab Ayah/Verse 59

and

And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent 

Qur'an Sura Nur Chapter: The Light. Verse 31

These nonsensical scriptures with complete vague meanings have been twisted to support the idea that women are to be in burqas. But the original meaning was for women to dress conservatively. However one thing Islam fails to realize is you can't beat biology. No matter how much women are covered, men will always be attracted to women or for some men (but we'll leave that out as we are talking about women and burqas) and women will always be attracted to men. That is why from my experience, I have noticed there is a hypersexuality among Muslim men who live in these type of societies

Comment by jared manley on December 24, 2012 at 1:41am

Well, I really like jaybs. Even Jaybs I can't see but only imagine. Maybe not the best time to bring it up but I do.

 Yes. These people are pretty twisted so, what to do? They have interpreted their scripture as they want. Discussion has done nothing for these poor ladies.  We can get upset and co-miserate but does that do any good?

 Anyone wanna invite R/islam to the discussion so we can convert them? Perhaps we are just raising awareness to the people who are already aware... I'd hate to sound cynical but the oppressed are the ones that have to rise up against their oppressors. We can only support. 

 So, I guess we will tell them things like "I believe in what you're dying for.", "keep up the good work!" and "Don't god changin!" -enter year book signing. It does not help. This is here and that is there. Bridge that gap and I'll sound like less of a jerk.

Comment by jared manley on December 24, 2012 at 1:43am

*"don't go changin"

Comment by James Cox on December 24, 2012 at 1:56am

 "@james Cox Not sure if that was rhetorical or not but it's really not interesting. What would be "interesting" is if people didn't compare ladies to valuables."

I was trying to indicate that we can use different eyes to look through. Lust seems like an expression of a 'value' for only one thing. Economically we could consider people as things to use for production. But we don't have to stay in these values, as if they are truths. I love my wife, appreciate her beauty, enjoy her company, find wonder with her good mind, I am touched by her warmth and wit. She has no use for excess modesty, and is not affraid of me as if I am a soft minded brute. For us, nudity, just reveals our mortal reality. 

Comment by jared manley on December 24, 2012 at 2:03am

Thanks for clarifying. Didn't think you were being a bronze aged, misogynist, jerk wad.... although I didn't know what I was left to think.

Comment by James Cox on December 24, 2012 at 2:04am

"..some ladies out there are traded for goats and what not..."

Any attempt by I or another demented fool, to 'trade my dear wife for a goat' , would be ment with extream prejudice and a certain brisk unmanning, at the next moment or before the next breath. While she is a vegatarian, tree hugger, and nature lover, she can carry a big stick. 

Comment by jared manley on December 24, 2012 at 2:10am

Yeah thats kind of what I was saying about the oppressed standing for themselves (if i read you right) and we can only support.

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on December 24, 2012 at 3:59pm

http://www.thinkatheist.com/photo/it-s-not-just-about-women?context...

Comment by James Cox on December 25, 2012 at 2:59am

 "..bronze aged."

Actually grey bearded

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