Is it just me, or does everybody on here sound like pathetic politicians, just trying to make themselves sound more believable putting others down than proving themselves? Has anybody heard of the phrase, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar?," or has the complex design of human intelligence been reduced to stupidity?

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Comment by Sagacious Hawk on September 11, 2012 at 2:31am

Oh, and that is all assuming it is the Christian god that I'd be talking to and not say, Hades, or Osiris, or Allah.

Comment by Ward Cressin on September 11, 2012 at 3:16am

Warofages, you asked "I mean, what if you DID die and instead of just eternal nothingness, you actually stand in front of God and he asks you "...why didnt you believe in me?" "

A real Creator wouldn't ask that. It would already know the answer and understand perfectly why we did everything we did. Only a lesser being posing as the Creator would ask such a question and would deserve to be told to go get stuffed.

I didn't just stop believing. I searched for answers and realized that every god you've read about is a poser or a pale immitation of the real Creator. And there are problems even with believing in that Creator. I came up with a comparison of: as an amoba is to a man, so is a man to god, and so is god to the Creator. Any god is a tiny pathetic thing next to what the Creator needs to be to exist.

I have no worries or fears regarding the Creator. Your god however is another matter - something so small and pathetic with such power and such an ego that needs massive stroking. Replusive.

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on September 11, 2012 at 4:48am

Hi Warofages – I am interested in this “presence” of god you feel. How does it manifest itself? Do you feel a warm glow? Do you speak (pray) to it and does it answer back? If so what does its voice sound like? Could you please also answer my question from my last post above – do you expect this “presence” to make you immortal after you die?

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on September 11, 2012 at 5:09am

@Unseen – that is a good observation you make re Pascal’s Wager. I also use it as an indicator of someone’s’ understanding of the nature of belief. When I hear someone make the challenge I think to myself “oh no not again” and my will to debate starts to wane. Hitchens

Comment by Unseen on September 11, 2012 at 9:05am


This isn't a criticism but a commentary.

I used to wonder (without being theistic) how the universe could spring from nothing. Now I think it's most likely that there never was nothing, but there was a time when the universe we know didn't exist yet. It sprang into being from a larger reality which has existed forever.

The universe we know isn't a creation, which implies a creator, but is part of a larger process. A super universe or multiverse, if you will. Once one takes that theory seriously, there no longer is any mystery. No longer does something explode into an empty universe that was sitting there waiting for content, rather the universe began with that explosion, for there's no such thing as space with nothing at all in it. Space is created by its content.

This universe we live in had a beginning, in my view, but the super reality in which it and other universes exist is most likely etermal. Thus we no longer need to say that something spring into existence out of nothing, but just that "something happened" that created our universe, and that that event is part of an ongoing process, not a creation.

Comment by Emperor Milos on September 11, 2012 at 10:36am


i mean, why not believe in God? or a god? What is there to look forward to after you die? Do you guys believe in an afterlife or is it just nothing?

Apologies if we came off hostile, but your original post was not very friendly and we simply replied in kind.

Now that you have your questions asked, we are all more than willing to answer.

why not believe in God? or a god?

Why believe in God, or a god? Which one? How do you come to that conclusion and disregard all the others? Why not the FSM, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn? All of them have the same answer. There is overwhelming proof against their existence. Most of the things we used to need God, or gods to explain, are now easily explained by science. The gods that remain, are now gods of the gaps. And those gaps are getting smaller by the day.

I will lump your next two questions into one if that is okay, since they pretty much lead to the same answer, at least from me.

What is there to look forward to after you die? Do you guys believe in an afterlife or is it just nothing?

There is nothing to look forward to after you die, because when you die, you no longer exist. You go back to being the same like before you were born. You can somewhat look forward to being a worm farm for a bit, or mantlepiece decoration, but aside from that, there is nothing to look forward to. Death is the final Game Over. Think of it like playing Day Z, or Diablo on Hardcore mode. No respawns.

These questions have been answered in a different post recently, let me find a link.

Same question pretty much.

Now I would like to ask you what I'm sure others already have.
Why do you believe, if you do, and in what? By your profile picture, I would hope not Yahweh or Jesus, because a pentagram is the devil's logo in their books. But whatever it is you believe in, why do you not believe in the other gods?

Why do you believe in whatever you believe in regarding death? On what grounds do you come to that conclusion?

Comment by Nerdy Keith on September 11, 2012 at 12:33pm

Someone obviously just hurt your feelems and you are all upset now. We're sorry. Forgive us?

Comment by Pope Beanie on September 11, 2012 at 1:43pm

@Unseen, I agree that the "from nothing" explanation doesn't help us understand much. It's almost as useless as a "GodDidIt" explanation. The whole process of science (and communicating science) only helps us understand things when it explains something. If I were a physicist or cosmologist, I might appreciate the "from nothing" explanation as a metaphor of universal time being reset back to zero. But it doesn't help the layman understand much.

Comment by Unseen on September 11, 2012 at 1:57pm

@Pope Paul, I'm not sure what you're saying. I wasn't offering an explanation. Indeed, there is none. Just educated speculation.

Comment by Pope Beanie on September 11, 2012 at 2:12pm

OK, educated speculation. If I'm not making sense, sorry, I have to leave it hanging. Gotta go now!


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