How many times do I have to be damned for all eternity, I wonder?  Is that like having 6 consecutive life sentences?  Is there ever any break between suffering, or is it non-stop misery for all time?  How will my body hurt if I don't have one?

A theist asked a ridiculous question about us being able to see in 3D and how that could only have happened if we were created by God yadda, yadda, yadda.  She asked me a question, so I answered it to the best of my ability.  Then, when she didn't get the answer she wanted, she damned me to suffer for all eternity because I "refuse to believe the truth!"

And then I got the well-now-you've-heard-the-truth-so -you-can-choose-to-damn-yourself bit.  I take great delight in saying, "No, I don't believe.  I won't believe.  I can't believe."  They seem to think there is some magical switch by which I can manifest faith in something that sounds completely absurd to me.  I know I could allow myself to be indoctrinated, but that seems, at the very least, like it would be going mind-bendingly against reason and sound judgment.  

Am I to leave these at the door then?  Do I just forget a lifetime of being who I am, learning what I have learned, and here's the important part... to avoid the suffering that comes from lack of faith in their deity?  Do I do this to make them happy?  What if it destroyed my psyche?  Would they care?  What do they really want, I wonder?  What would satisfy them?

Then she told me my heart was closed to Him and that I have made a choice to deny Him.  This woman knows nothing about me.  I try and try to let Christians like her know who I am.  The fact is they don't seem to care, even though they say they are doing this because they care.  It saddens me that people do this to other people.  

I cannot be where I am not at.  I can only be where I am.  As far as this issue goes, they, their deity, their literature, and my life experience have utterly failed to convince me any god exists, let alone Jesus.  Threatening me with suffering doesn't change that.  What I think she was trying to offer me is a way to deal with the inevitable misery that happens in life.  I get that.  It sounds nice, but I still don't believe it.  

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Comment by Diane on July 18, 2012 at 9:14pm

I know why it happens and have some idea of how it evolved, and I'm grateful I do.  

Comment by archaeopteryx on July 18, 2012 at 10:19pm

There are statistics (I've read them, but didn't think to save the link) that when one is totally convinced of something, the harder another presses to provide contrary information, the harder the believer clings to his/her beliefs - it's just human nature. Invalid thinking, to be sure, but human.

Comment by Diane on July 18, 2012 at 11:22pm

That makes sense, and I think I knew that intuitively so I don't try to convince people they're wrong. I know that is implied when I say I don't believe, but that is their problem!  

Comment by Eric Turnbull on July 19, 2012 at 12:32pm

I think the whole 'double dammed for eternity' thing is like trying to Google 'Google' or multiplying by infinity.  2(Eternity) = Broken Universe. 

Reading this makes me thankful that I've never had to deal with (relatively) irrational thiests.  Most I've run accross either accept my decision or calmly turn the other cheek (with no hint of rudeness).  After reading this I consider myself incredibly lucky, and I wish similar luck to the rest of you.

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