hi, i am a new member to this site and have some questions about after life.

it all started  a year a ago and accumilited over time and lots of thinking. over the time of a year my grandfater had part of his right ear cut off, found meloma in his lungs, colon cancer and also 7 brain turmors. one night really stood out, when he said " well at least i know that when i die i will go to heave with my brother who was killed in an airplane accedent and to see my parents again. its helpfull in times of pain that we(the faimly being catholic) will be in a better body with god." i know that sounds dumb but i think christianity does offer comfort to people but i still dont know what to believe. my life isnt that great and i gues thinking that one day when you die youl go to this great place called heaven, then i think it is all BS so i just dont know what to think anymore. i am raised (17 and living with my parents) catholic and we always have to go to church every sunday and i did receve the confermation in which "the holly spirit will come into your life" and when that happened the archbishop did the ritual and i didnt feel anything and i just looked at him with comfusion and steped down. well i gues this is just a a post about me but if anyone wants to give advice on what to believe in when it comes to this after life or no after life thanks

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Comment by Laura Dijksman on April 25, 2012 at 3:26am

afterlife can only be if there's a god. Since I'm an antheist and don't believe there is a god, there is no afterlife either.

Life for me is about living to the best you can NOW. Not to get a reward later but to be good because that is the better way of being.

When I was 17 my life wasn't that great either. Miserable, in fact. It took me a long time to get past that. It only got better when I took my life in my own hands and decided that I wasn't going to accept being miserable any longer. I fought my way out of my misery and have been a happy person ever since. Don't wait for someone to save you, because that is what religion is, really. It's a way to not be totally responsible for your own life. I can see the appeal of that, but I can't believe that.

I'm sorry about your grandfather, I wish you and your family a lot of strength in this time.

Comment by Atheist Exile on April 25, 2012 at 3:43am

"If death is the end of everything, then living is everything." ~Robert D. Richardson

Comment by SteveInCO on April 25, 2012 at 5:12am

I'd rather be facing oblivion than an afterlife that could be _anything_ including very unpleasant.

Comment by Helen Pluckrose on April 25, 2012 at 5:22am

Sorry to hear of the loss of your grandfather. I think you have hit the nail on the head when you say the concept of an afterlife offers comfort when we are bereaved of facing our own death and I believe that this is a large part of the reason people have a faith. As thinking, analysing, self aware social mammals, we are the only animals who do think about and comprehend consciousness and the concept of death ending it and the idea is in opposition to our survival instinct and our sense of self. Faith offers a way to believe we are immortal in some form and also that there is an overall system of justice. I recently watched a youtube video which a Muslim had entitled 'Proof of God' and in which he argued that if there was not a god then Hitler would have got away with his atrocities and I see theists claim this all the time on YA. They say things like 'So atheists think murderers get away with it?' and 'There must be a god or there is no justice.' A system of justice is clearly what people would like to believe and does not in any way make it happen. There is simply no reason to think we can survive the deaths of our brains in any way.

This became very clear to me when I did my nurse training and then later worked with people with dementia. That spark of individuality, that self, lives in the brain. When working with people with dementia I saw many times, that spark go out and the 'self' die even before the person did :( As the brain is destroyed, the individual is lost and if dementia runs its full course, a shell is all that is left. We even know which part of the brain is being damaged by the person's change in personality. If someone begins behaving aggressively or violently we know the frontal lobe is affected - this is where the 'self' really lives (in my opinion) because this is what governs our ability to love, understand moral issues and hold values. . As a temporal lobe epileptic, I have experienced the 'going through a tunnel to the light' thing many times and also seen strange things and felt a presence with me. The fact that nearly everybody with a near death experience has experienced the tunnel but those of them who have seen a god or emissary of god, always see the one connected to their own faith, tells us all we need to know about the validity of that. If everyone saw Jesus, regardless of the faith they had held, that would be evidence of a god and a afterlife but they don't.

I am lucky in that I was brought up by atheists and understood from the age of four that we have about 80 years to live and then cease to exist. I built my world view around this. When I became a Christian in my childhood because of teaching at school (I am in the UK) the concept of an afterlife was not comforting to me but terrifying as it must be when you learn of the belief in a Hell and everyone you love is an atheist and destined for it. I have also spoken to many devout Christians who think about and fear Hell so much it has affected their mental health and entire quality of life because I support people with depression and anxiety disorders online. The idea of an afterlife can be comforting or terrifying and for me, the concept that when we are gone, we know nothing just as we did before birth, is only comforting because in this way because we exist for all of our consciousness and are unaware of anything before or after our existence.  It is never easy when people die but I gain comfort from the idea that they live in on my genes or their children's and/or in the impact they have had on other people.

Comment by Eric Diaz on April 25, 2012 at 5:24am

Dont worry about death...I think the way it would be is like falling asleep....you never remember the exact moment you fall asleep. You know you are falling asleep and then you wake up in the morning...death would the same thing without the waking up part

Comment by Unindoctrinated on April 25, 2012 at 6:30am

The notion of Heaven was created specifically to sell believers an idea that could provide comfort and therefore a reason to join the church. People may get comfort from it but that certainly doesn't mean it has value. What is it that so horrifies people about nothingness? Cold hard reality may not be comfortable but at least it's real.

I've always been annoyed by the fact that once you're dead your conciousness is also dead. Not because I wanted some form of afterlife, but because I want believers to remain concious just long enough to realise they were wrong and that death is the absolute end. Kind of petty of me I know but what can I say, many believers spend so much time telling the rest of us that we'll miss out on the glories of Heaven. It would be brilliant if they were to know, without any doubt, that it wasn't going to happen for them either because their belief system was total bullshit, even if just for a moment.

Comment by Unseen on April 25, 2012 at 8:29am

You'll be dead. Death is a state, not an experience. There is no experience to be anticipated.

Comment by Gary Mueller on April 25, 2012 at 11:02am

Sure there is an after life..after life your dead.

Now if your asking if there is consciousness after you die I would say no as we in the modern age know that consciousness comes from the brain and when the blood flow is stopped to the brain it no longer functions and the by products of the brain cease to function as well, things like personality, memory and emotions, all products from areas of the brain already mapped out by researchers.

Now if its true that the mind is separate from the brain you would have to acknowledge it as more of the classical example of the soul and you would find yourself attempting to reconcile science with the idea that all brain functions are transferred to a non corporeal ethereal entity for which no evidence exists at all
As for religion offering peace to the departed please remember the multitude who went to their graves in horror because they had a hot dog on Friday or missed Easter mass

Comment by Dale Headley on April 25, 2012 at 2:11pm

1) There IS no afterlife.  2) Take Shay's advice.  3) Learn how to use a spell checker or a dictionary.

accumilited; grandfater; meloma; heave; accedent; helpfull; faimly; its; isnt; dont; gues; youl; receve; confermation; holly; turmors; comfusion; steped - all misspelled.  Start sentences with capital letters.  When referring to yourself, “i” is capitalized.  Also “god” and “christianity” should be capitalized.

I don’t mean to be a nitpicker, but this is hardly nitpicking.  If you want to be taken seriously, you really should make some effort to be literate, even if it means asking a friend to edit what you write.  To not do so is implicitly disrespecting your reader. 

Comment by John Jon on April 25, 2012 at 4:42pm

wow thank you all for commenting on this post... just wanted to say,  Shay- thank you that does help

Krystale ellis- well i dont know at this point i aways have a want to believe in a god as silly as that sounds but i just dont know any more. As im forced to go to church with my family i am bored out of my mind of the whole procedure, but then i feel like if there is a god and i dont follow it i will go to hell and eternal fire and this always goes around my thoughts so i dont know what i am. I cant just say to my parents "Oh by the way i dont believe in a god" they will flip out on me and will be frowned down on by my whole family, like they caught me masturbating (the only analogy i could think of) so i am still in question    thanks for the encourging words and i will get to reading the article


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