Hi everyone.

I am a grade 12 student in Red Deer Canada and i am unfortunate enough to be in a catholic high school. That means that taking religion class is mandatory for me. I currently have an assignment in which i have to respond to several quotes about religion vs science. It is my hope to put together a really well organized and logical argument from an atheist point of view. I have my own ideas, but i think it would be really cool to get some other perspectives, ideas, and arguments on the topic. I don't want to bash or insult religion i simply want provide well organized arguments against it. I will post the two quotes that I am supposed to respond too, and I would really appreciate it if anyone and everyone would give me their perspectives.

"In many academic and theological groups, an awareness is maturing that science and faith are not opposed to each other, but, on the contrary, need and complete each other."
Pope John Paul II    

"Science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind."
Albert Einstein

Those are the two quotes I must respond to. I'd really appreciate it if i could get some comments ofer other perspectives and insights. If anyone is for some reason opposed to using any of their opinions in my assignment simply let me know in a comment and ill respect that. Itd be really great if we could get a good discussion going here.

Thanks in advance.

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Comment by SteveInCO on April 19, 2012 at 8:52pm

Good luck with this paper!

"The two cannot compliment each other in the same way logic and irrationality cannot compliment each other."

Just in case that wasn't a typo, the word you want is "complement" (e not i).  I figure you probably want to know this before you hand in your work.

Comment by Logicallunatic on April 19, 2012 at 9:44pm

But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion.

How sad that such a great mind could say something so patently false and stupid. The idea that religion is responsible for the awe that scientists feel is just laughable.... embarrassing actually. 

Comment by Unseen on April 19, 2012 at 10:37pm

A follow up to SteveInCO on "complement" vs. "compliment." "Complement" means to complete or agree with. For example, a red wine complements a red meat entree. "Compliment" is a synonym for praise.

Comment by Mark Lindell on April 19, 2012 at 11:19pm

One thought I picked up from Carl Sagan is how the scientific method is contrary to our natural way of thinking and human nature.  Religion allows us to give in to our feelings and accept the feel good answers.  Beliefs that cannot be disproved cannot disappoint you.  Fortunately, many religious claims have been disproved by science.  God lives in the gaps of science.

Comment by Joel Richards on April 19, 2012 at 11:39pm

Thanks for the spell check guys haha

Comment by trillianalice on April 20, 2012 at 1:16am

I see you have great answers here but here is my experience. I was taught in Catholic school for almost my entire education.  We were always taught the most recent science. it was heavily taught.  Catholics were taught evolution and biology, chemistry, everything.  There was not any debate, then the fundamental creationists caused all these problems.  The Catholic Religion was once the forefront of Science.  Just like the Persians in more ancient times. 

Comment by Pope Beanie on April 20, 2012 at 3:40am

This is one of the best threads I've seen. No anger. Logic, reason, and to the point, without tangents.

Comment by Unseen on April 20, 2012 at 11:11am

Boorrring! (just kidding)

Comment by Ed on April 20, 2012 at 2:43pm

@ Mark

"Beliefs that cannot be disproved cannot disappoint you.  Fortunately, many religious claims have been disproved by science.  God lives in the gaps of science."

I believe, in my own personal case, that religious belief did ultimately serve only to disappoint. It offered much initially but didn't "deliver the goods." A mind that continues to be steadily influenced by science, logic, and reason will be necessarily forced to leave religion behind.

Comment by Andrew on April 20, 2012 at 10:13pm

Keep in mind that although Einstein spoke often of "God," he did not mean a personal deity and he was not theistic. "God" for him was synonymous with the nature of the universe. "God doesn't play dice with the universe" meant that he innately felt that the universe was deterministic. I would guess that by "religion" here, he is referring to a "god of the gaps," i.e. using the word religion to mean the acknowledgement of things currently or inherently (see quantum mechanics) unknown by science. 

P.S. sorry about your Catholic school predicament, i had a similar one :)


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