Tim Minchin Curses the Pope...a lot. Debate Ensues. (UPDATED WITH BETTER VIDEO)

In an article from the Examiner.com, the William Hamby explores the controversy surrounding Tim Minchin's song, "Fuck The Pope" that he performed at the Reason Rally. Catholic groups are raising hell (pun intended) and are saying it was blasphemy. Aside from that, people are also saying that the Rally was billed as family friendly and the cursing was too much.

My view is that both the organizers of the Rally and the people who attended, obviously didn't do any serious research as to those who were scheduled to speak because if they had, they would have known that many of Minchin's songs include vulgarity and swearing. Aside from that I'm pretty sure other speakers as well as the MC swore as well. Get over it people, adults swear. This was not a Disney/Pixar production of any sort. Minchin is BRILLIANT and dead on with this song. Check it out for yourself.

Anyway, the article can be found here, and below is the song and LYRICS. Enjoy and FUCK THE POPE!

Lyrics:

Fuck the motherfucker, fuck the motherfucker
Fuck the motherfucker, he's a fucking motherfucker

Fuck the motherfucker, fuck the fucking fucker
Fuck the motherfucker, he's a total fucking fucker

Fuck the motherfucker, fuck the motherfucker
Fuck the motherfucker, fucking fuck the motherfucker

Fuck the motherfucker, fuck the motherfucking pope

Fuck the motherfucker, and fuck you motherfucker
If you think that motherfucker is sacred (fucking motherfucker)
If you cover for another motherfucker who's a kiddie fucker
Fuck you you're no better then the mother fucking rapist
And if you don't like this swearing that this motherfucker forced from me
And reckon it shows moral or intellectual paucity
Then fuck you motherfucker, this is language one employs
When one is fucking cross about fuckers fucking boys

I don't give a fuck if calling the pope a motherfucker
Means you unthinkingly brand me an unthinking apostate, and
This has naught to do with other fucking godly motherfuckers
I'm not interested right now in fucking scriptural debate
There are other fucking songs and there are other fucking ways
I'll be a religious apologist on other fucking days
And the fact remains that if you protect a single kiddie fucker
Then pope or prince or plumber you're a fucking motherfucker

You see I don't give a fuck what any other motherfucker
Believes about Jesus and his motherfucking mother
I've no problem with the spiritual beliefs of all these fuckers
While those beliefs don't impact on the happiness of others
But if you build your church on claims of fucking moral authority
And with threats of hell impose it on others in society
Then you, you motherfuckers, can expect some fucking wrath
When it turn out you've been fucking us in our motherfucking asses

So fuck the motherfucker and fuck you motherfucker
If you're still a motherfucking papist (fucking motherfucker)
If you covered for a single motherfucker who's a kiddie fucker,
Fuck the motherfucker he's as evil as the rapist
And if you look into your motherfucking heart and tell me true
If this motherfucking stupid fucking song offended you
With its filthy fucking language and its fucking disrespect
If it made you feel angry go ahead and write a letter

But if you find me more offensive than the fucking possibility
The pope protected priests when they were getting fucking fiddly
Then listen to me motherfucker, this here is a fact
You are just as morally misguided as that motherfucking
Power-hungry, self-aggrandised bigot in the stupid fucking hat

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Comment by Hank Hell on March 30, 2012 at 8:21am

Pretty cool song, but I'm partial to the Anti-flag song Fuck the pope. Swearing is great. self expression is great.

Comment by Hank Hell on March 30, 2012 at 8:21am

Also sacrilege is pro-activity and blasphemy is truth. 

Comment by Mith Barnes on March 30, 2012 at 9:19am

@Susan: This, exactly! The (in this case often literal) 'get-out-of-jail-free' card has let the religious establishment(s) get away with too much for too long. Sure, it's 'shock value;' but sometimes it takes a bit of shock to boot sacred cows (even those other than our own) out of the pasture.... 

Comment by Steve on March 30, 2012 at 9:24am

So he said some "bad" words? So what? People need to grow up. They are just words. Children hear it all the time, no matter how much you want to censor the world for them

Comment by SteveInCO on March 30, 2012 at 12:13pm

@Suzanne

The anger is utterly, completely, without question by anyone who isn't themselves so head deep up their ass, justified.

(In fact I am mildly miffed that the FFRF had to wait for the contraception controversy before they started their campaign urging people to quit Catholicism.  What, the institutionalized buggering of altarboys--far more ruinous to individual lives--wasn't enough?  In their defense I realize that this controversy focused attention on the catholic church a lot more than the buggerings ever did, and political activism is the art of exploiting such "heaven sent" opportunities.)

The validity of the anger that you and I and Tim Minchin share is not in question by anyone here I know of (and anyone who thinks it's overwrought is cordially invited to go straight to the hell they most likely believe in).  What's being questioned is whether this is the best way to go about trying to DO something about what the motherfucking pope is doing.  Are we simply getting people to dismiss us, more than we are getting them to think about this issue?  If we push this hard will we simply be perceived as bullies and create a backlash in favor of the church?

I honestly don't know.

Meanwhile I want a copy of the song for my own use.

Comment by Bryan B on March 30, 2012 at 12:32pm

Thank You Suzanne, well put. 

"But if you find me more offensive than the fucking possibility
The pope protected priests when they were getting fucking fiddly
Then listen to me motherfucker, this here is a fact
You are just as morally misguided as that motherfucking
Power-hungry, self-aggrandised bigot in the stupid fucking hat"

yes if you find the F bomb more offensive than widespread child-rape, torture and coverup by the rich and powerful whi spout moral authority than there is something wrong with you.

Comment by kris feenstra on March 30, 2012 at 2:07pm

"What message does vulgarity convey to those whom we ask for consideration of our underlying message?"

A lack of respect for "kiddie fuckers".  Certainly, many people will not listen closely enough to draw that message from the song, but many of these people are probably the same people who are deeply offended by innocuous billboards (e.g. Good Without God).  

I do understand that American atheists are bargaining from a minority position in many parts of the country, but there are times where this sort of behaviour is needed.  It seems like one of the major problems with American theism is that far too many theists -- even moderates -- think they have the right to not be offended.  If you coddle these people too much, they will get so thin-skinned that all communications will become unmanageable. They will expect to be handled with kid gloves at all times as part of the super-privileged status they already enjoy in certain parts.

The vulgarity of this song should (probably) never be the norm, but that doesn't mean there is no room for it.  Sometimes offending people kills the potential for dialog.  Other times, you can't manage to break people's apathy and indifference long enough to have a dialog until they have been offended.

Comment by CJoe on March 30, 2012 at 3:03pm

This was completely appropriate and, I think, reasonable.

There were some things at the Reason Rally I thought were unreasonable and only served to cause more turmoil between theists and atheists. Mocking their beliefs is not going to win anyone over.

But in this case? I don't think we're trying to win their hearts. It's just like Tim Minchin so eloquently worded: if you think "fuck" is more offensive than priests raping children and the pope turning a blind eye, then fuck you! Your morality is a joke. There should be no apology here. None. We don't have to tone down this message. We're OUTRAGED. Blasphemy? FUCK YOU!!! Go do something useful, like turn in some pedophiles, instead of condemning some guy for saying "fuck the motherfucker" in regards to a child molester!

Wow, our priorities are messed up. The Catholic Church and its Pope are EVIL. Excommunicating people for aborting the fetus of a nine year old who'd been raped by her own father? Restricting access to condoms and allowing AIDs to spread because sex is a "sin"? What other response is reasonable? What other tone? None.

Comment by Robert Karp on March 30, 2012 at 3:13pm

^ [like]

Comment by kOrsan on March 30, 2012 at 5:02pm

Blasphemy? The fucking pope can fucking go motherfucking fuck his fucking mom.

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