Apparently, Huff Post didn't like my comment.  It went from pending to nonexistent in the space of thirty seconds.  I don't even see it in my own list of activities.  I've made some pretty negative comments about religion before without any problems, so this was unexpected.

Jeff DeGraff wrote an article titled The New Mass as New Coke where he's whining about a change in the Roman catholic liturgy.

Here is my comment that never showed up. Do you think it was something I said?

You belong to a church that has covered up massive pedophilia and child abuse around the world. The Ryan report in Ireland estimates that 25,000 children in catholic run orphanages and institutions were subjected to an environment of neglect, emotional abuse, physical abuse, and sexual abuse. Can you even picture 25,000 children? I can't, and that's just one country.

The same church in the same country sentenced tens of thousands of women and girls to indentured servitude in the Magdalene laundries. In Australia, the church presided over the forced adoption of babies over a period of thirty years. Some estimates claim that 150,000 women had their babies stolen from them. Some women reported being shackled during labor, and prevented from seeing their babies after the birth.

In Canada, many indigenous people were forced to attend residential schools run by catholic and protestant denominations where they endured horrendous sexual and physical violence. There were many who didn't survive. At times, the mortality rate in these schools was higher than 60 percent.

This is your church, and these are just some examples of the atrocities it has committed, and has attempted to cover up. If your biggest concern is a change in the liturgy, maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities.

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Comment by Conrad van Rooyen on January 7, 2012 at 1:13pm

Hi Todd

Sometimes the truth does hurt.  your feedback/comment seems good, and based on research.  I agree with your comment.

Comment by Todd on January 7, 2012 at 1:20pm

Thanks.  It could be a glitch.  I've never seen comments just disappear like that.  They usually show up as deleted.  But, to be honest, I'm surprised they let most of my comments through.

Comment by Gabriela Menicucci on January 7, 2012 at 2:06pm

The concept freedom of speech is endangered, every time someone(atheist or not) mentions a negative historic fact about Christianity, they censor that critic. Is like a collective trauma because for 2000 years they could say/do whatever they wanted and nobody could disagree and if they did they ended up murdered.

What you wrote is not offensive and is not a made up lie. So why do they have to consider it inappropriate? You only presented their history as it is. If Catholics don't like their history and don't want to hear it, that's not your problem. If they want to think that pedophilia and crimes Catholic church has commited is a contemporany made up lie, that's up to them.

Another stupid argument is that Atheists only point out the negative things about Christianity, seriously? who they think WE are? So on top of all Atheists need to do "Public Relations" for religion. Hahaha.

Hmm, but now that I think about it they really need to wash up their image, even if it's  from Atheists' mouth because with all those pedophiles doing the PR for them, I see their church going down at a very fast rate, no matter if they acknowledge evolution, big bang and life outside of earth.

Comment by Todd on January 7, 2012 at 2:46pm

It is certainly a sign of how much power the church still has that so few of the people involved in these crimes are in jail.  In addition, almost none of the leaders who covered up the crimes will ever see the inside of a prison cell.  As I learn the facts surrounding these and many more atrocities, I find it incredible that so many people simply shrug their shoulders and look the other way.

Even more amazing is the fact that this institution considers itself above criticism for the crimes it has committed.  They issue a few vapid apologies while actively fighting against every lawsuit that would give the victims any compensation for their suffering.  The arrogance of this institution truly boggles the mind.

I really wish that public criticism will not be the worst that these people receive because they deserve so much more.  Unfortunately, I doubt that justice will ever be served here.

Comment by Steve on January 7, 2012 at 2:56pm

They screen some comments before publishing. You can try submitting it again

Comment by Danny Sanchez on January 7, 2012 at 3:16pm

Maybe it was too long do they have a character limit?

Comment by KaraC on January 8, 2012 at 2:52am

They are probably just trying for "balance". Remember, christians are more discriminated against than gays , for example :-)

Comment by Lewal on January 8, 2012 at 10:10am

They're like drug addicts. You can't set them free unless they want to be free. Well, I mean you COULD, if you started another Reign of Terror or something...

Comment by Todd on January 8, 2012 at 8:17pm

It's true that arguing with a true believer may never convince them.  For some people, the indoctrination is simply too strong.  However, arguing against such a person in a public forum can still produce results.

For one thing, it lets them know that their opinions can be questioned and criticized.  In the US, many christians live inside a bubble where their opinions are constantly reinforced by like minded believers.  It's amazing how many christians I run into on twitter who are downright shocked that someone not only thinks differently than they do, but has the audacity to question their beliefs.

In addition, a public forum always has an audience who may be on the fence.  Many of the comments I make on sites like Huff Post are not really directed to the person writing the article since I know that this person is not likely to be convinced.  Instead, these comments are really directed at the larger audience of readers in the hopes of finding fertile soil there.

Comment by sway austin on January 16, 2012 at 4:12am

Kara...thanks for sharing that article.


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