This will be short. Look at this argument:

Nature is so beautiful and complex; the planets in our solar system, and our solar system in our galaxy, and our galaxy in the universe all fit and work together so well that it cannot possibly have happened by chance - there must have been a creator.

I want to know why Christians, or any other monotheist, thinks this is a good argument in favor of their position. Obviously, because they've used the singular form of the word creator but they've obviously done that on purpose to support their particular theology.

Why does the complexity of nature point only to a single god? I want a monotheist to explain to me how they manage to sidestep the possibility of many gods being responsible for the creation of everything. How do they justify their atheism towards every other god but their own?

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Comment by John Galt on December 17, 2011 at 2:48pm

Thank you! I would love some suggestions of introductory books on the subject.

Comment by Albert Bakker on December 17, 2011 at 3:14pm

I think we agree, I just emphasized - clumsily admittedly - that the apparent appearance of 'uniqueness' as you aptly put it, the Earth possessing just the right conditions for us is a consequence of putting things in reverse order: it is not the Earth that is nearly perfect for us, it is that we are nearly perfect for the Earth and this is so because from the most modest chemical building blocks to billions of years later those self-conscious creatures we are today, able to understand our place in the order of things to a certain degree, evolved to adapt to it.

If the Earth would be different, within a certain not really known margin, we'd be different, but the reasoning would be invariant under this translation. Okay so this is just pure logic, anthropic principle reasoning, the probabilities enter later in the estimates of habitable worlds.

I would think 1 to 30 billion planets in our galaxy is an underestimation. It probably would be more like an order of magnitude higher and maybe even higher than that. The number of Earth-like planets with liquid water would I think be in the order of a billion or two.

But the number of galaxies has to be revised downward to those that are old enough to have sufficient metallicity, or are rich in population I type stars, like our Sun. Only then you have sufficient abundances of heavier elements and chemistry can become sufficiently complex. This would be a critical prerequisite to life as we know it, but who's to say that life as we know it is all the ways that life can exist? In fact there has never been a proper definition of life been settled on, as it just seems arbitrary where to draw the line of demarcation - or is it an area?

The point of my last sentence was not so much to paint God in the most unfavorable terms I could muster, rather that it seems wasteful to the point of silliness to create an entire Universe just to have a infinitesimal little spot on the outskirts of one of those uncountable rotating blobs of shiny matter to play with His little human zoo.

Comment by Ed on December 17, 2011 at 9:09pm

The near certainty of life existing on other planetary bodies, perhaps billions in number, and some with the potential to be intellectually more advanced than ourselves, makes the foundation of religion all the more shaky and nonsensical. Our planet is not so special any more and were certainly not the universal center of attention.

Comment by Ed on December 17, 2011 at 9:17pm

@ Albert

" it seems wasteful to the point of silliness to create an entire Universe just to have a infinitesimal little spot on the outskirts of one of those uncountable rotating blobs of shiny matter to play with His little human zoo."

His little human zoo =   too damn funny.... sounds like something Mark Twain would of said...  :^ )

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