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Free Will vs Gods plan, or not
Started this discussion. Last reply by Nelson Apr 22, 2011. 14 Replies 0 Likes
so one of the reasons atheists say god doesn't exist is that he has no referance to time. so he is both in the past and in the future (with no beginning :p ) so that means he knows the future so that…Continue
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Nelson replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"we're talking about healthy people with normal brain function. a person that isn't a fully functioning person is always going to be an exception to a rule when it comes to neurocognitive features of human persons.
people with diminished…"
Berty replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"a person who has no higher brain functionality : no feeling of free will at all, just alive
a person with degraded mental capacity: slight feeling of free will
people with stronger feelings of free will, will be more likely to uphold there moral…"
Nelson replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"that's what i said in the post you're replying to. responsibility is the sufficient condition, guilt is the necessary one.
you can feel responsible without feeling guilty, but you can't feel guilty without also feeling responsible.…"
Nelson replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"there's no gradient to free will within humans and that's what we're talking about.
humans feel like we have free will.
you're trying to explain that on evolution but, as Kasu pointed out, you'd need to explain what…"
Berty replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"indeed, self-reflection is needed for the illusion of free will. i think the illusion of free will is more of a gradient. its not complete free will or none at all. the 2 extremes can be shown like this: max illusion of free will: humans,…"
Berty replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"1/ good point :)
2/ can you feel guilt without feeling responsible?
hmm maybe so, you feel guilty for people in Africa that are suffering starvation, but its not directly your fault, maybe we feel guilty because we can help them.
so i agree :)
3/…"
Berty replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"i agree on the natural selection part
for me its just a way of speech
but i understand that people (not you) that don't understand natural selection thorough enough could be confused by my way of expression
when you're drunk you have a…"
Nelson replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"but he still acts to effect the world we live in within the universe. as such, we should be able to detect these effects. for instance, if god exists and answers prayers, regardless of his existing outside of time, we should be able to test prayer…"
Berty replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"evolution can do something because of something else
if a random mutation causes something that on its turn causes (something else) less death then this mutation will be more likely to survive
so when you have a mutation that gives you…"
Berty replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"ok some reaction:
1/ you cannot disprove God because he doesn't have a reference in time or any measure in our universe for that matter.
2/ indeed but feeling responsible is a condition for guilt, right?
3/ indeed, everything works with chances…"
Nelson replied to Berty's discussion 'Free Will vs Gods plan, or not'"few things...
first, i don't think atheists say "god doesn't exist because he has no reference in time".
classical theism defines god as omniscient as a simple fact of his nature. if an atheist objects to the attribute of…"
Berty replied to Sophie's discussion 'Would You Eat Lab-Grown Meat?'"I totally agree
but I still think there would be some morons that would oppose"
Berty commented on Horacio Martinez's blog post 'Just Another Reason I Don't Believe'"they were talking about legalizing drugs
to have more taxes and to reduce the killings
but i don't think the idea was implemented though
would you agree to legalize drugs if it stops all that suffering?"
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