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Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?
Started this discussion. Last reply by Dale Headley Mar 23, 2012. 24 Replies 0 Likes
'lo folks.So I got into it on Twitter with some nut that said "atheists can't have any morality" because he thinks the only logical source for morality is Yahweh (go figure). I'd been meaning to…Continue
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Zevaeros replied to Kris K's discussion 'Why do the big names in atheism freeze up when debating William Lane Craig?'"Lukeprog has done some writing about the topic - though it makes WLC out to be some unstoppable juggernaut. As was noted already, folks like Sam Harris et. al. are not debaters. That's not their calling, nor is it for quite a few of us.…"
Zevaeros replied to Kris K's discussion 'Why do the big names in atheism freeze up when debating William Lane Craig?'"The technique others have noted is known as the Gish Gallop, so named after creationist advocate Duane Gish. On its own, it's not easy to counter - it can somewhat be mitigated by having the topic tightly defined, but that isn't always…"
Dale Headley replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'" All any of this means, if one takes your Twitter correspondent seriously (LOL!), is that Christians CANNOT be moral without the threat of eternal hellfire; but atheists CAN. Case in point: ME! "
archaeopteryx replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"Robert - you've come to know me well enough by now, that you know I like to reduce things to simple terms, and what you're suggesting, is something I've for years called the "Little Jack Horner" approach.
Remember Little…"
John Kelly replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"No, morality hasn't always been for benefit. For the last few thousand years morality has also incorporated stepping beyond oneself and personal benefit. The capacity for rational thought enabled morality to extend past this to…"
Robert Bumbalough replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"Morality is a code used to guide one's actions for the purpose of obtaining benefit. I'm quite certain there can be no absolute universal code beyond specifying actions necessary to maintain one's life as similar actions are…"
Darrell Mont replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'""atheists can't have any morality" Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and those that…"
Tom Sarbeck replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"Tell your theist to search on "Code of Hammurabi". He'll find morals much older than Yahweh's."
Ron V replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"And, I get my morals from common sense and respect for life - religion, however, including Christianity, would give me the "right" or justify condemnation of others (and burn "witches," shoot doctors who perform…"
Ron V replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'""the only logical source for morality is Yahweh"
How so, specifically?
How can one cite Yahweh as a source for morality when there is no real evidence for Yahweh's existence? I think I might be able to cite Jello as a…"
John Kelly replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"Zevaeros, the problem is that once again the argument is being misunderstood.
This is an articulate version of the argument:
"Being a good person is the right thing to do because right and wrong are tied to some ultimate spiritual truth. It…"
archaeopteryx replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"Zevaeros - here's some more - look for my post about a third of the way down the page:
http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/i-need-debate-help-does-good-come-from-god?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1066569&xg_source=activity
That should…"
Zevaeros replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"I mentioned Confucius in there as predating the gospel authors, as well as a smidgen (smidgin?) of the atrocities put across as good in the bible.
Thanks for the research suggestion. It may be useful background material for a further writeup.
For…"
kOrsan replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"Absolute morality is like an absolute best color."
John Kelly replied to Zevaeros's discussion 'Peer Review Request: Where Do You Get Your Morals From?'"So I am still trying to get time to get back to my own blog about this, but my take is that morality needs a philosophical basis for the sake of greater inspiration
From a glance, it seems you are trying to find that in covering universal…"
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